I've changed my mind and cant defend AJ/Hearn anymore

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  1. Infern0121

    Infern0121 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Back around the time of the Martin-Klitschko run when Joshua was looking devestating and Wilder was..... not, I thought Joshua would smash him to pieces if they fought.

    But since then Joshua has looked unconvincing and especially in the Parker fight.

    Parker was basically tailor made for Joshua to put an epic beatdown on, a basic no defence guy. Instead Joshua tap tap tapped his way to a very unimpressive decision. He looked shaky, no decent power shots and his jab was weak although it did land.

    Wilder on the other hand has been destroying opponents recently and is on a high.

    I think Hearn knows that right now the time is right for Wilder and not Joshua, and I agree.
     
  2. Vykus

    Vykus ɹoolɟ ǝɥʇ ɯoɹɟ ʍǝᴉʌ ǝɥʇ Full Member

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    I think your underestimating Joseph Parker quite substantially. Being the WBO champion is hardly a basic no defense guy, and Parker has fought a versatile bunch of tough and tricky fighters in his career thus far. Parkers got one of the best defensive toolkits in the heavyweight division.

    The whole getting emotional on the business side of things skewers perspective, the idea that Joshua is ducking anyone is laughable, its all about the money, on both sides, doesn't Wilders camp have the contract to be signed on their lap as we speak?

    Looking at it from a non-bias non-judgemental perspective. Joshua is cleaning house, and while he's had a couple hiccups along the way, overall he's dominating the contenders and everyone he faces. Wilder, on the other hand, has only faced one legitimate contender in his career, and he struggled badly, losing most of the rounds and getting beat up in 7th/8th. Wilder even struggled with domestic level guys Spzilka and Washington, arguably losing half the rounds in both fights without really figuring either guy out. Apart from being even with Klitschko on the cards, an ATG and future hall of famer, this has never happened in Joshua's career, not even close.

    Hard to see Wilder lasting more than a couple rounds here. He has a punchers chance, but that's all it is. And with Joshuas power against Wilders clumsiness, average skills and small frame, it won't last long.
     
  3. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    He looked terrible against Parker.
     
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  4. phil rowe

    phil rowe Active Member Full Member

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    Someone gets Ko'd within 7 rounds, and hearn knows that when wilder lands that freakish right hook it could be over, i think they want the fight but they wont be disappointed if they dont fight wilder next as it such a risk. i think hearn is doing the bare minimum to try and make the fight without making it look like they're ducking. i.e sending a contract with only a short amount of time before the 'deadline' of when the fight has to be agreed by.
    He has said that the wilder fight should happen at wembley but has also said that wembley is only available in September and he said with GGG canelo announced for then, hearn said the wilder fight would be in November. He has also pretty much negotiated the fight with povetkin ready for September so he cant be sure the wilder fight happens otherwise he wouldn't have done that. Plus all the drama with the 50 million offer etc and hearn's initial offer not being great, perhaps hoping wilder rejected it? (which he did), but obviously as a fan i want it next but we'll see..
     
  5. Infern0121

    Infern0121 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    I agree

    A lot of the die hard AJ fans are actually saying Joshua can "outbox wilder with the jab for 12 rounds" based on that.

    Personally I thought that performance was incredibly shaky and that he got away with it purely down to Parkers lack of ambition.

    It was like watching Wlad if Wlads jab was about 1/3 as powerful, Wlad had worse footwork and three zero right hands.

    He tries that **** against wilder and I GUARENTEE wilder starts throwing crazy **** and forces it into a dogfight.
     
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  6. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    Joshua can outbox Wilder for 12 and get a comfortable decision. Joshua could catch Wilder easy enough, he dont seem so hard to hit and he hasnt got an iron chin either. But then the next time they fight the same thing will be happening then BANG, Wilder lands something brutal in the 6th and dont let AJ off the hook. Im a big Joshua fan and ive always said this is a 50-50 fight.

    Joshua is the better Boxer surely people can see that but Wilder is very very dangerous and his trademark killer blow the unseen right bomb is one of Joshua,s weaknesses.
     
  7. inner2deepz

    inner2deepz Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Bro if you ever try to use Joshua’s resume as a reason for him beating Wilder I’m gonna have to call you out for it. Why does Joshua get some much credit for beating a 40+ Wlad coming off a loss. I mean Tyson Fury doesn’t even get that much credit and he beat the better version of Wlad and he did it more impressively. Your bias is clearly showing. Wilder beat a 40+ old Ortiz. Ortiz you remember him the one Eddie didn’t think Wilder would get by at all. Also Whyte clearly ducked Ortiz and Pulev.
     
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  8. Cally

    Cally Sand...sand... nothing but sand! Full Member

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    I see the Parker fight a little differently..

    Aj done enough to get the job done without getting out of 3rd gear. It was easy and he didn't labour or force himself any.

    Its not all about smashing opponents to bits and maybe becoming reckless in the process, you know.
     
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  9. BCS8

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    What if Povetkin beats Joshua?
     
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  10. Infern0121

    Infern0121 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Didn't look easy to me at all.

    If it was easy he would have been confident to throw his right hand. He wasn't.

    I went into that fight expecting AJ to have a fairly simple night, what i saw instead was a tepid performance and it looked like parker was the danger man in there not the 6'6" 98% power puncher.

    I dont think that fight was by design, I think joshua was afraid of what was coming back so resorted to pitter patter and parker was just happy to be getting his pay and lacked ambition to force the issue.
     
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  11. Infern0121

    Infern0121 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Small chance it happens and if it does we will have a 40 year old past prime unified champion who got molested by klitschko when he was prime.


    ...cool!
     
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  12. dinovelvet

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    Parker back peddled all night and never mounted much of attack. He was tailor made to make look Joshua look bad.
     
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  13. Infern0121

    Infern0121 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Threw considerably more power shots than joshua though didnt he
     
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  14. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    He fought mostly on the back foot defensively like Tackam so how exactly is that a style tailor made for him to look good against?

    Movement and angles will make Joshua look bad. Straight forward plodders will him look "epic " as you put it.
     
  15. Vykus

    Vykus ɹoolɟ ǝɥʇ ɯoɹɟ ʍǝᴉʌ ǝɥʇ Full Member

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    Because Klitschko was one fight removed from being the unified undisputed champion of the world for the last 10 years with 23 world title defenses throughout his career. He was a multiple world champion, former amateur superstar, Military world champion, and Olympic gold medalist. Wladmir Klitchsko is an absolute legend of the sport, who transformed himself from a chinny puncher to a great out boxer with one of the best ring IQ's in the history of the sport. And Joshua fought him and stopped him in a hell of a fight, not tap and run to a decision in a snooze fest like Fury, that's why.

    Dillian Whyte ducking? lol, whose biased now. How do you duck someone by taking on a stronger opponent for far more money?

    Joshua's resume is every reason why he beats Wilder, Wilder struggles against the level of guys Joshua dominates, plain and simple. The best and most powerful combination in the division, you really think a guy as sloppy as Wilder who relies on one punch can last very long at all? Not IMO.

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