I've come to the conclusion that Roberto Duran would knock out Monzon

I'm flabbergasted.

 

Duran just quit because he was losing, i've commented on it in length a million times. The fight for the most part was hardly different in style from the first one. The bottom line is, the first time, a great fighter won, the second time, a great fighter won. Great fighters can do great things dn't you know.

I'M GOING NOW

 

I disagree. The winner still won. For example Toney was wight-drained agains Jones. I think this is true. Does that take anything away from Jones? No, it does not. It's not his fault and he did what he had to do.

 

Yes, I agree with the bold part! I never doubted that. I just think there was a reason why he wasn't as sharp as he was in the first fight - and that he wasn't is clearly visible on film. Does nothing take away from Leonard. He fought a great fight - although I disliked his showboating and clowning -and won rightfully.

 

I do. Past-prime great fighters can still do great things. And when they are still able to do great things they also must suffer from the consquences when they look subpar in the same timespan. I don't rate losses when a fighter is clearly shot though.

WEll, I disagree. I think the circumstances of a fight should factor in when judging it.

 

Huh?

 

Okay, well we disagree then bodhl, a loss to Sugar Ray Leonard is hardly a black spot on your resume, and when you hold a win over him then clearly not. I don't take the manner of loss into a great deal of consideration when assessing legacy. When people talk about Lennox Lewis having to be rated lower than necessary because of the two losses being ko's, i think that's silly. It's who the losses are to that count more so than anything else. Now if we're talking about an assessment of a hypothetical match up between two fighters then the manner of losses factor, because they highlight weaknesses in such boxers' make up(s). That's mine anyway, if you disagree though, i'm hardly an authoritarian.

Itrymariti, i always say this. Look at the early rounds of their first bout, they are standing off each other, and Duran is getting off first. In about round 3, Leonard is shooting his rapid jab out, stepping in and out, and Duran just nips it in the bud, countering with one of the best right hands from distance we've ever seen in a ring, and coming underneath with hooks and uppercuts downstairs, Duran's preferred and unconventional way of cutting off the ring. 'Leonard lost the fight' and not 'Duran won the fight' is one of the most disrespectful things i've ever heard said in a boxing discussion, it's unreal what mythology/folklore can do the minds of the masses. In the rematch, they are standing off one another again, this time Leonard is better, he's getting the jab off and countering himself, enabling his movement to get going (which was not his usual style). It's not until about round 7 that he starts to showboat etc, then in round 8, when he's not winning, Duran just quit, he didn't need a **** or anything. He just quit because he was losing.

Conclusion. Roberto Duran won a game of strategy in the first fight, Leonard won one in the second fight. Two great fighters get one over each other, nothing more, nothing less.

 

I agree with this man to some degree. I think Duran beats him, but sometimes I think Monzon too, my answers are not always the same . He was 1-2 against Leonard, but Leonard was the clown. He beat Barkley, but Iran was no p4p king at that point. Barkley was maybe even a natural heavyweight, he did fight at heavyweight, and IMO he is underrated with his boxing skills. Laing could have been a champ is he was mentally stable and more dedicated to boxing. Benitez would have been beaten by Duran at both 140 and 147. If Barkley used his skills and size, he was evenly matched with Carlos. Monzon had better boxing, but Barkley hit harder. And Duran beat him, and took some bombs along the way. Duran did beat Hagler also IMO. He would knockout Hearns late is he was motivated, but Roberto would have to get out the early rounds, as then Tommy was at his most lethal. He fades late in fights. Duran would win by very close decision, no KO, because if he could take Iran's big bombs, he would have no fear getting in there and swarming all over Carlos.