I've said it once and I'll say it again...the US is the WORST place to fight

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  1. Mr. Sandman

    Mr. Sandman 27-2 (21 KO) Full Member

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    Disclaimer: I am myself an American.

    Just off the top of my head from the past few years, some BLATANT robberies in the US in fights involving an American vs a foreigner:

    Alexander-Kotelnik
    Alexander-Matthysse
    Judah-Matthysse
    Williams-Lara
    Cloud-Campillo
    Rios-Abril
    Lundy-Abril

    None of these fights were even remotely close nor difficult to score, and yet the obvious winner ended up losing by virtue of being from another country in every single one of them.

    Please feel free to add any I may have forgotten.


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  2. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    What percentage of fights take place in the US?
     
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  3. Mr. Sandman

    Mr. Sandman 27-2 (21 KO) Full Member

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    I assure you it's not proportionate to the amount of "hometown" robberies that take place in the US.
     
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  4. CubanHeel

    CubanHeel Guest

    Boxing in the USA is rotten with corruption. It is well known outside of America that a foreign fighter has little chance of getting a fair shake if it goes to the score cards.
     
    CubanHeel, Apr 15, 2012
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  5. kenmore

    kenmore Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Excellent post by OP. The time has come for pro scoring rules to be overhauled, more clearly and effectively defined, and constantly enforced. Judges need to be reviewed and audited.

    Only by implementing the above will technical boxers such as Abril, Oquendo, etc., stop being robbed.
     
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  6. oibighead

    oibighead G.O.A.T. Full Member

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    100% of fights that happen in the US happen in the US

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  7. VivaNazVegas

    VivaNazVegas Well-Known Member Full Member

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    60% of the fights take place in the US everytime.

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  8. SugarShane_24

    SugarShane_24 ESB good-looking member Full Member

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    Part of the reason is most of the mainstream fights happen in the US.

    Back in the early 2000 when Ottke was winning fights in Germany a lot of people was saying it's not good in Germany. Same as Japan, Thailand, South Africa etc etc.

    How many mainstream fights between skinny dudes from Thailand and Philippines have you seen or given attention too. None. Lot of robberies there happen as well.

    It's not new people.
     
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  9. Mr. Sandman

    Mr. Sandman 27-2 (21 KO) Full Member

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    Name them. I know all about Ottke but he's not fighting anymore. Show me these robberies happening now in other countries. You can start with Sturm-Macklin.
     
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  10. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't think it's that bad you should live in England or Germany, then you would be going mental!

    As an outsider (Brit) I see places like Texas as being a joke, but this **** goes on everywhere. It is amazing though that it goes unchecked. I mean if you did the same thing in say football or athletics there would be an absolute **** storm in the press, but boxing it's just accepted.

    The sport needs to be shaken up badly imo, I just can't see where it is going to come from.
     
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  11. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't think it's that bad you should live in England or Germany, then you would be going mental!

    As an outsider (Brit) I see places like Texas as being a joke, but this **** goes on everywhere. It is amazing though that it goes unchecked. I mean if you did the same thing in say football or athletics there would be an absolute **** storm in the press, but boxing it's just accepted.

    The sport needs to be shaken up badly imo, I just can't see where it is going to come from.
     
    exocet76, Apr 15, 2012
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  12. Kevin Jesus

    Kevin Jesus Active Member Full Member

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    Lol @ mentioning Judah-Matthysse.
     
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  13. KINGOFTHE1ROUND

    KINGOFTHE1ROUND Guest

    Germany is the worst. In Germany,if you don't kill your opponent it doesn't count.
     
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  14. Little Pea

    Little Pea 'A' grade boxing fan Full Member

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    Wrong.
    Ask the ricans.

    Canada is the worst place...
     
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  15. persianprince

    persianprince Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bernard got a fair shake at Canada, you could even argue for a draw at the first fight. Germany & US are :admin when it comes to judges
     
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