I've seen a lot of discussion about Vitali Klitschko lately...

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Hookie, Sep 30, 2015.


  1. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

    51,109
    25,265
    Jan 3, 2007
    Here's the difference.... Lewis avenged his OWN losses.. Vitali and Wlad didn't, with the exception of Wlad winning a rematch against a diminished Brewster.. If you took the time to read doublechin's post in its entirety then you'd understand the origin of the conversation and its meaning.
     
  2. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

    55,255
    10,354
    Jun 29, 2007

    We've all see MANY champs duck their #1 contender, or simply wait until he ages or weakens to " make the fight ". That is the truth. We know that, so its really not out of the ordinary not to see a super title fight match.

    Were Johnson and Langford, McVey, and Jeanette brothers? NO

    How about Dempsey and Wills or Greb? NO

    Had Lewis fought Tyson and Holyfield 5-10 years earlier, his resume had he won would really go up or down? See my point? Lewis waited until the odds were greatly in his favor.

    The Klitschko's did not make their name on past their prime has been champion. They could have wrecked Bowe, Morrer, Holy or Tyson. We all know this.

    Instead they both cleaned out the division. The only man they did not beat was the one guy who ducked a re-match ( Lewis ) All others were defeated.

    In the Klitschko's case they fought them ALL while they were, young, prime, or post prime status. Such longevity in the time of punchers is impressive.

    PS: Lewis always had the opportunity to avenge his losses. Vitali and Wlad in a practical sense did not. However, Lewis never gave ONE re-match to a tough fight that he won in Mercer, Burno, or Klitschko.
     
  3. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

    41,974
    4,029
    Sep 22, 2010

    10 years before holyfield, lewis was 3-0 with no case to fight for the british title, nevermind holyfield.

    10 years before Tyson, lewis had not yet won the commonwealth title, and Tyson was soon to be in prison...

    kliturd self destructs once aga....
     
  4. uncletermite

    uncletermite Boxing Addict banned

    4,436
    44
    Aug 2, 2015
    Im not taking that away from him,but that has nothing to do with both brothers obligated to fight others at different times. Now Brewster is diminished...and Tucker wasn't a competitive fight for Lewis?...gotcha...:lol:
     
  5. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

    55,255
    10,354
    Jun 29, 2007
    Magoo,

    Vitali fought Sanders for the Ring Magazine champion, and a belt that he did not have first. Revenge was secondary.

    Lewis would not re-match Vitali. And to be truthful a Don King Controlled Byrd did not want a re-match with his belt on the line either.

    Vitali fought Peter because he happened to have the WBC belt he relinquished. Not because he gave Wlad a good fight.

    Wlad fought Byrd because his promoter had the right connection for the WBO belt which Byrd had.

    What would a re-match vs Purity do for Wlad? He wasn't close to ranked when Wlad was champion.

    The above reasons tell the tale. It was not a case of I'll beat him for you first and foremost. That was the media angle to hype the fights. I think you'll get it right if you think about it.
     
  6. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

    55,255
    10,354
    Jun 29, 2007
    Why not fight Holy in 1993-1997?! You're a moron.

    Why not offer Bowe a fight when Bowe had no belt? Bowe would take that match.

    Why not fight Tyson in the 1990's? Why wait for him to be old and shot?

    HAHAHAHA
     
  7. Foxy 01

    Foxy 01 Boxing Junkie banned

    12,328
    131
    Apr 23, 2012

    Your so indoctrinated, you don't even know you've been indoctrinated.

    They, this, they that. Whats wrong with he? You simply accept they are a tag team.
     
  8. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

    51,109
    25,265
    Jan 3, 2007
    Why for so many years did the Klit's have a " If you beat me you have to fight my brother " clause in their contracts?
     
  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    112,986
    48,064
    Mar 21, 2007
    He ranks higher h2h than he does ATG I'd say.

    But it is hard to peg him properly in relation to very great fighters because of the level of his competition which isn't very special.
     
  10. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

    41,974
    4,029
    Sep 22, 2010
    no the answer to why not fight holy in 93-97 is not you are a moron. this is not a monty python sketch its a serious discussion. kliturd self destructs once again.

    bowe didn't want a fight with lewis, this was why he dumped his belt.
    kliturd self destructs once again.

    Tyson was finished after prison, there was no sense is going after him after that.
    kliturd...you guessed it.. but at least u laughed manically this time whilst blowin yourself up, improvement.


    that's probably the reason lewis didn't chase the shot Tyson, until istupid money meant he had to before he retired.
     
  11. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

    58,748
    21,578
    Nov 24, 2005
    Lewis DID chase a shot Tyson.
    That's all he talked about after beating Holyfield.

    It was Tyson who wasn't ready, right up to the last Tyson was possibly trying to sabotage the fight. But he owed a lot of money and everyone could make money off him, so he the fight was inevitable.
     
  12. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    14,470
    58
    Feb 23, 2008
    Isnt Lewis older than Tyson? I may be wrong, im not sure. The point is how would Lewis know he was going to be a shot fighter? Couldnt it have been Lewis instead of Tyson that aged ringwise while waiting. That it didnt happen that way is irrelevant, he simply couldnt have known.
     
  13. uncletermite

    uncletermite Boxing Addict banned

    4,436
    44
    Aug 2, 2015
    Its not hard at all 6'7 250 ,chin ,skill is more than he needs. He simply didn't exist in the OLd days and the way MOST preach about Carnera being good on here is a good measuring stick considering even Bert Sugar in his autobiography called him the worst HW champ in history.
     
  14. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

    41,974
    4,029
    Sep 22, 2010
    this being an argument against vitali being considered one of the more worse HW titlists in HW history.


    kliturd self destructs with circular reasoning once again
     
  15. uncletermite

    uncletermite Boxing Addict banned

    4,436
    44
    Aug 2, 2015
    I self destructed how?Carnera had little skills,most cant see this for some odd reason...Vitali is Elite. If Carnera was considered good that would make Vitali great,which he would be,if Carnera had fought like a skilled big man so would he,he obviously wasn't a born fighter which is why he was weight lifter...are you pretending to be stupid now?Wait don't answer that :lol: