I've seen a lot of discussion about Vitali Klitschko lately...

I don't think there's anything particularly unusual about Vitali's early career path. He had a padded record, yes, but as we've recently discussed there are guys like Tony Tucker who got title shots on the strength of very weak winning runs.

The main problem I have is that the soft touches carried on when Vitali held the WBC title. Sure, some of those guys were ranked, but a lot of them were awful.

Corrie Sanders is probably Vitali's best win and it wasn't a title defence, it was for the vacant title.

Don't get me wrong, we're not talking about Wilder new lows of sh!tty challengers, but fighters like Sosnowski, Briggs, Charr and Kevin Johnson were dire, and the 'better' ones Adamek, Solis, Chisora, Gomez and Arreola are hardly outstanding. Quite a mediocre bunch taken altogether.

 

Danny Williams was a very poor challenger too.

 

Difference is, nobody calls Tucker an ATG, he was a very good fighter for his time, nothing more nothing less.

Vitali on the other hand, has been labelled as the goat by some quarters.

We constantly hear about how he was never dropped (The KD by Sanders didn't happen apparently)

He hardly ever loses a round (what do you expect when you fight Julius Francis, Danny Williams, Herbie Hide and Larry Donald).

He was never behind on points (see above).

He has Foreman like punch power (Took 8 rounds to stop Danny Williams).

Has a high KO percentage (So does Lord Bruno).

Beat every man that he faced (apart from the ones that beat him).

Could beat Ali (Because he's faster than Liston)

Would beat Lewis H2H (in fantasy fights).

Was one of the most intimidating heavyweights ever (That's why Chisora slapped him in the face and Kevin Johnson pulled his pants down)

Would be too big and too strong for those 70s heavyweights like Foreman and Frazier (Despite outweighing Byrd by 35 pounds and still coming nowhere close to stopping him).

 

So foreman was'nt around ,yet racked up dozens of wins before Holmes came back? Yea o.k...

 

Buddy/Max it doesn't really matter ,if buddy was not that good yet put Louis thru the ropes that should tell you something.I guarantee Grant would run rampant in louis's era for sure.

 

tells us you are using a louis win to prove how bad he was?

u must be typing this from planet kliturd, where meaning is reversed.

 

I am using a win against a guy who wouldn't even be considered a threat against top fighters that proceeded him.McGrain also said buddy was not a top 5 guy yet fought Louis for the title? This is all double standards here. :deal

 

your double standard that I pointed out is grounded in fact that louis won - what actuallyhappened


the double standard you want to create is based on a presumption that baer would not contend today - your presumption

 

Baer would get creamed by the more skilled guys who would dwarf him as well,Baer soley relied on SIZE to out muscle with his brawling tactics. no modern competent boxer would remotely let him do that. He wouldn't even win a golden gloves title with his skill level becuase he would easily get out pouinmted.

 

Why isn't 3number enough for Grant? There were many fighters ranked over Grant in the 90's the same cant be said with Baer because he was one of the best in his era. If grant is possibly number one,then I would say Grant considerably holds a great threat to Louis.

 

Vitali was a very good heavyweight. Wlad has beaten better men than Vitali has, but Vitali was a lot tougher and had the chin to brawl if need be...Solid top 15 heavyweight ever.

 

baer as world champions, undisputed, feared.

don't get your sanders in a corrie just because wlad got instantly easily wiped out by 7 year old fattie nevermen, nevermind bona fide world champions.

 

Well the plan was Tyson, but Williams beat him. Vitali who was distracted due to events in the Ukraine beat on Williams.

When a dominant fighter faces a weaker challenger, it should be one sided.

Yet that was not always the case with some very famous champions named Johnson, Dempsey, Louis, and Ali. It is the case with Vitali.

Vitali was simply too good, strong and skilled to be bothered by challengers on the level of Danny Williams.

If Williams had fought a past champ 50 years ago, some here would say so and so KO'd a really big guy, so he can compete today.