IYO, who else in heavy history could have destroyed frazier in 73?

Liston, Tyson and Lewis springs to mind.

There could be others. Frazier was a bit vulnerable early even when he was sharp and in good shape.

 

theres no way a man(even George foreman) could lift a 15 stone man off the floor with a punch...Its boxing bull****. frazier li

Frazier would've hurt both. Theres never been a fighter smaller than frazier that could beat him..Outbox him for a bit till he got warmed up yeah....Then its nighty night everyone.. Dempsey was way to small to compete with him

 

How about the category of best wins?

How about the category of fighting the best possible opponents?

How about the category of crossing the colour line?

 

Frazier stops both imo with some to spare

 

Dempsey at 13 stone is better off being matched with smaller fellas...Frazier swamps him with ease

 

No, not at all. Holmes wasn't exactly a quick stoppage guy and most of his stoppages (particularly against half decent opponents) were accumulation based. also he'd be going in against a guy still champ and considered still great - he'd be safety first for sure particularly early. For me no way Holmes stops him early.

 

Absolutely. It's not even up for debate. It's on film. George hits Joe than Joe backs to the ropes and sort of jumps onto one knee, possibly taking evasive action but there is a real time lapse from the punch landing and Joe being off the ground. Amazing, given the evidence freely available to show otherwise, that this myth perpetuates. A bit like having to replace Clay's glove vs Cooper thus giving him added time to recover. Watch the film. It didn't happen.

 

George Foreman lifts Joe Frazier off the ground

https://streamable.com/k2pbz

His punch is so hard that Fraziers upper body swings all the way to the right, and upwards, lifting the back of his right foot off the ground completely involuntarily on impact. And his body reacts to being lifted up by giving out at the knees, as his lower body slumps while his upper body continues on the trajectory from Foremans punch.

 

I thought I was going mad..its like this myth that tyson gets wrecked by foreman because cus said he beats swarmers that come to him. Tyson was another level to wild swinging foreman. He would be wide open early against the fastest starter ever, not joe frazier who has to warm up a couple rounds..and he has the chin prime and belief to see rough times through, not damaged tyson

 

Your analysis is definitely off.
You can't look at this punch and say that Frazier consciously jumped on a knee.
He got hit hard.

https://streamable.com/k2pbz

And there is no lapse between the impact of the punch, and the back of Frazier foot being lifted off the ground as if electricity had gone through him.

 

your a mentalist mate. He jumped up hurt exaggerating taking a knee...he was ****ed, but he wasn't lifted up by it where he left the ground

 

I dont think he was lifted either, youtube has a new feature where you can slow it down to 25% speed and you can see fraziers body after the punch first go downwards and to the right and then go back up, slowed down it almost looks like frazier did it himself. then again mike tyson literally lifted danny williams up with an uppercut so its defnitely possible

 

Landing on his knee was a secondary reaction to the momentum of the punch.
Look at the back of his right foot on the impact of the punch to see the immediate momentum.
It lifts off the ground twice in spastic fashion.

 

My god I could not imagine getting hit with that punch from Foreman with 6-8 oz gloves. I remember watching Foreman hit a huge heavy bag at the Playboy club in northwest NJ back in early 74. Frightening power and Frazier was hit full bore with it.

 

unless the fighters momentum is going that way, there is no chance that happening. Even then they have to lift their legs like frazier did in an after shock kind of moment....its really weird fraziers reaction to the punch. like he wanted to take a knee but he wasn't in a position to, hence the mid air knee thing...he didn't know where he was