Izu Ugunoh the best Polish heavyweight prospect since Andrew Golota?

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  1. Unforgiven

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    Yeah, people waffling on about "Polish identity" and "Polish culture" probably don't know sh!t about what they are talking about.
    In fact, they do know, and we all know, they are talking about skin colour.

    Surely, the most primary parts of "Polish identity" would be:
    1. The geographical area known as Poland.
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    2. The Polish language.

    If someone is born and raised in Poland, and speaks Polish, then I think anyone rational would see that's some solid Polishness right there.

    If he was white and his grandparents or parents were from elsewhere these racists wouldn't have zip to say about it.
     
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  2. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The guy considers himself Polish, the state of Poland consideres him Polish, yet him being called Polish bugs some people. Strange.
     
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  3. chitownfightfan

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    Best ever American HW would be Joe Hipp.

    And I guess George Tadoonipa would be the p4p best American fighter today.
     
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  4. Ken Ashcroft

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    Birth name is Johannes Gabriel Badou Nyberg and he was born and raised in Sweden to a black Gambian father and a white Swedish mother. Are you saying he's ******ed that he should regard himself as Swedish? That he should just pretend that anyone from his mothers side of the family doesn't exist?
     
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  5. chitownfightfan

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    Even if his mother was black, he's still a swede.

    OMFG.........what is it with ppls hangup on skin colour in this place.

    Jacks' a swede.
    Oscar's an American. Sergio's an Argentine. Cotto's a Puerto Rican while Danny is an American.
    Floyd is an American. He aint a G/D nigerian or whereever his fmailies roots are from.
     
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  6. CST80

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    There are melting pot countries where nationality is all that matters, the US and the UK are kind of like that, but then there's countries where the ethnicity and the nationality are one in the same, like for example Turkey, sure there's a few ethnic minorities there like the Kurds, Albanians and Arabs, but the population is overwhelmingly Turkish, as in that's their ethnicity and nationality, so when an American is born there or moves there, no one in Turkey genuinely feels like that person is 100% Turkish.

    Just because this is Poland we're talking about, an overwhelmingly white Slavic country everybody gets all sensitive and starts making accusations of racism, but would the same people be complaining if say Artur Szpilka was born in China and billed himself as a Chinese fighter, when NO ONE on planet earth would go along with that? And would be vocal about it.

    Ugonah is not and will never be Polish, just like Szpilka is not and will never be Chinese, just like I will never be Thai, and you will never be Mongolian.

    There's nothing racist about that, that's just a fact.
     
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  7. UnleashtheFURY

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    There's truth to both sides of the argument. But it's trivial here. That's a debate for elsewhere. Here we discuss the sweet science, and to my eyes Ugunoh is a very good HW prospect.
     
    UnleashtheFURY, Jan 22, 2017
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  8. theanatolian

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    Well, maybe I look at it on a narrower perspective, but a Poland born guy who represented Poland in international areas who considered himself a "Proud Polish", that's enough for me to consider him as one.

    An example, a Brazilian football player Marco Aurelio(http://www.hursertekinoktay.com.tr/wp-content/uploads//2010/08/marco-aurelio-bjk.jpg), took Turkish citizenship after playing here 5 years, played for the national team, called himself a "proud Turkish", so we were happy to accept him as one of us.

    To quote the war veteran and the founder of Republic of Turkey Atatürk:

    "Whoever tied with the Republic of Turkey with the citizenship bond is a Turk."
     
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  9. CST80

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    I get that entirely, and agree, its good to fully accept foreigners, but you know that you're just accepting him as a proud Turkish citizen, but don't really think of him as an actual ethnic Turk, that's all that most of the people on here are getting at, sure some may be racially motivated, but a lot of the criticism is not, like UTF said, both sides have a point.
     
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  10. theanatolian

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    I think people who threw in the R word were referring to the guy who claimed It was ******ed to call Badou Jack Swedish, not you.
     
    theanatolian, Jan 22, 2017
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  11. covetousjuice

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    Well, I am indeed racist. I don't apologize for that. Races are behaviorally, genetically, and culturally distinct. You need only to look at African American versus White American culture.

    There's a reason Amir Khan wanted to represent Pakistan in the Olympics, people.
     
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  12. SmackDaBum

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    He is a mulatto. 50/50 white/black.

    Born and raised in Sweden.

    Thus more Swedish than Gambian.
     
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  13. Ian Huntley

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    Not really difficult is it being that all the other Polish heavyweights are crap enough to be Wilder opponents.
     
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  14. Limerickbox

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    If Szpillka was born, reared in China and spoke Mandarin, I don't anyone would think twice about calling him Chinese.

    Sorry, but you don't get to decide if Igunoh is Polish.
    He says he is.
    The state of Poland says he is.
    Other peoples opinions are basically irrelevant in the matter
     
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  15. superman1692

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    Yes because all white americans act the same, and all african americans act the same don't they? You complete idiot.
     
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