Jabbing against southpaws

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  1. RDJ

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    See thread title, everybody knows it's not very useful. I spar a southpaw quite often, he's very dangerous (and a bit heavier than me) so obviously I want to keep him occupied. Problem is my jab does not work, his right hand is in the way. Jab-Hooking around it (Cuban style powerless left hook with the thumb area) worked for a while but he figured that out pretty quick. Today I just doubled and tripled up on the right hand and that worked very well. It kinda makes it a right hand jab from orthodox stance, since I can't really load up when I throw three in a row. He blocked the first one, second one got through, then his guard closed up and I was able to hook around it either up or downstairs.

    I know the right hand is key when fighting a southpaw, but I wasn't just throwing right hands I was sort of jabbing with them.

    Any tips from the experienced guys here? I know it worked, and at this moment he did not really have an answer. He told me after sparring that that was exactly how he lost his last match. But knowing him he will find an answer, and I want to be prepared :D
     
  2. RDJ

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    Did I mention that I hate southpaws btw? MagnificentMatt if you read this, nothing personal, I just hate you and everything you stand for :D
     
  3. HairyHighlander

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    Dunno if i am one of the more experienced but maybe parry his right jab's with your right as you step to the left countering with a jab then right over the top maybe then pivot 12-3 with a lefthook ? Parry his right jabs with ya own left or right glove then a straight right over the top then a left jab away or to keep at range when stepping/pivoting to the left. This is i mean is if you are wanting to counter punch him....it would be my plan.

    I liked all the feints and constant movement etc left to right even when out of range so you can draw them to you, maybe having a look at his movement ( easier said than done i know :lol: ) Being tall for the weight they came head on anyway. Not sure i would throw several straight rights fighting a southpaw, as u said and i dont doubt it work's, i would feel open myself.

    Would be throwing lots of feints and draws when stepping to the right, maybe single rights with a right hook.then tie them up, depending on the hooks success. Lots of straight shots to the chest. Jab Lead Jab away when moving right of them Feinting jab to body come over the top. I would be trying to keep it simple, as you says they is well awkward.

    Not sure if this helps, has made me think how i would deal with them myself though......how is your height and reach compared to him ? Can you come inside him ?

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  4. RDJ

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    I can't counter against him, he's too active and too dangerous. If I wait for him to lead he'll be first all the time and I'll be either blocking or running. I can't get to him that way, his left hand is too powerful and I want no part of his body punches either :D

    Of course I do try to counter whenever I see an opening or spot a flaw, but as a strategy it doesn't work for me against this guy.

    Feints work as well sometimes, but he doesn't buy into my feints. Sharp fella (or worthless feinter) :lol:

    When I throw the multiple right hands I angle off to my left, avoiding his straight left, while being able to cover with my left for his right hook. While going left it's easy to throw a left hook, and the straight rights close up his guard if I aim at the nose, thus creating an opening for that same left hook.

    I'm not moving to my right against this character, his left hand is scary :D

    Yeah it helped, I already tried variations of some of your ideas, but feinting is probably something that can be explored more.

    I'm 5'8.5" (I always claimed 5'9" but I may have shrunk since high school), he's about 5'10", not too big of a difference. I'm a light welter, he's a welter or even light middle.

    Reach will be about equal, I have no problem getting into punching range. I can go inside, and I do that sometimes because I generally like being there. It's the half distance that I fear, he packs quite a punch in his left.
     
  5. McGrain

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    You tried jabbing stiff to the body?

    Jab hard to the body then move and/or look for something upstairs. If it works for you (will depend on how quick you are and how well disguised and of course how quick he is - and he sounds like a quick thinker) you can also use it to solve your feinting problem.

    If your just trying to get through these weeks with him, i'd consider adding it to your bag of tricks. Actually, if you are favouring moving left, and he is slower than you, you might have joy with a hook to the body as you are stepping out of range, too?
     
  6. TheRock49

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    Dont parry with the right fighting a southpaw. If youre parrying the jab with your right, then his left hasnt swung yet and your right is partially busy from the parry, so he'll have a shot.
     
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    People do that to me and I hate it. Even if I have my arm down and ready it causes me to hit my hip bone with my elbow. I always have a big ass bruise on my hip bone. I do as Im typing this.
     
  8. McGrain

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    Rock, you a shouthpaw yourself?
     
  9. HairyHighlander

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    Cools,from what you have said he seems a bit of a banger and all round quite "cute" and comfortable. No much i can really add, i guess more sparring will eventually find out where you both stand or not.

    Its just sparring but it can also get damn frustrating when not being able to get your shots off. Thats the best thing about sparring though, when you got much bigger or faster opponents its either sink or swim. Nothing more satisfying than holding your own when they are outsizing you etc.

    Just stick tight to him, use the rounds as practising your pressure, hooks and uppercut combo's. Make it your aim to be all over him and not let him make that half distance as u have says u feel comfy inside

    Best of luck

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  10. HairyHighlander

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    Good call, saved me taking one flush :good
     
  11. RDJ

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    Yes that works, jab (or even feint) low and throw the right hand upstairs. **** I forgot all about that one. The biggest problem though is keeping him occupied, the jab doesn't work. That means he has initiative, and I prefer to have that myself. But you are right, if he buys into my feints I'll have him thinking as well.

    Definitely, I had success with it in the past but for some reason I haven't done it in recent sparring sessions with him. I spar him all the time it's a gym mate, so he'll still be in my chest in a year :!:

    He is not slower than me so things come with a certain risk. What you just described is actually what he does against me (in mirror that is). His left hook downstairs is feared in our gym. I counter him sometimes but most of the time he's out of range already.
     
  12. RDJ

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    I never cross hands parrying, learned that the hard way :!:
     
  13. McGrain

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    He sounds like a horrible *******. Horrible. I'd consider trying to bring him onto you, jab at his throat and upper chest so you don't have to stoop, if he drops his guard and you are quick enough, hook him upstairs and when you step left consider the hook to the body your covering punch, though he might start to stiff-jab or even hook you if he reads this. But mixing up to the body will do you good because you can make new feints off it.

    But TBH chum, his combination of size and speed sounds pretty grim.
     
  14. RDJ

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    He's actually a very cool guy, both in and outside the ring. The type that apologizes if you walk into something :lol:

    But in boxing terms, yeah he's a *******. Strong, good stamina, a thinking boxer and last but not least a southpaw.

    I will apply your advice Saturday morning. Saturday afternoon I will post a picture of my face in the Lounge and if it shows a shiner, a broken nose or stitches you will be held fully responsible :D

    It's a challenge. Sometimes I get to him, like the last two rounds tonight, and sometimes he has me thinking all night about what to do next time. It's fun. Dangerous, but fun.
     
  15. RDJ

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    Something that also worked was jab upstairs, right hand downstairs, left hook upstairs. He's like Winky, he blocks a lot unless you get very creative. Both the jab and the straight right would be blocked, the left hook lands.