Jabbing against southpaws

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by RDJ, Jan 29, 2009.


  1. ralphc

    ralphc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If your opponents are a head taller than you, then it would be a good idea if you learn how to fight small. As to how you fight small is a matter of style. If you have not "had any noteworthy success jabbing as a southpaw against an orthodox fighter" then it can only be concluded that your style needs some improvement. An effective jab will give even the top boxers in the world some problems to solve, orthodox or southpaw. As to how you should make your jab more effective is contingent on the manner in which you jab and what you do immediately after it. A man who fights small jabs in a different way than a man who fights tall. Muhammad Ali, for example, was always trying to keep Joe Frazier at arms length. Joe Frazier needed to get in close. Frazier had his way of doing it, you will have yours.
     
  2. Machiavelli

    Machiavelli The White Lion Full Member

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    Boy, you sure did write a lot just to say nothing.
     
  3. ralphc

    ralphc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    When I was young there were two small heavies who were excellent boxers, Floyd Patterson and Eddie Machen. If you had seen them fight you would know that they had very different styles. The advice a trainer would give one man would be different to what he would give the other simply because of style. Look on this forum you will see postings giving out specific advice without knowing who they are talking to nor having any knowledge of recipients style. Such advice has no legitimacy whatsoever.

    Once a kid learns the fundamentals, it is then time to develop and refine his style. Is he a boxer or a slugger? Does he fight tall or small? Does he have fast hands or slow? How is his footwork? Is he naturally aggressive or defensive? Is he good at reading opponents? Can he make adjustments and think on his feet? A competent trainer has all these questions in the back of his mind because he knows that he has to figure out how to work around a kid's limitations. If the kid I was training didn't have an effective jab, then I would figure out a way to make it better.
     
  4. TheRock49

    TheRock49 Active Member Full Member

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    I like how 50% of your post start with "when I was young" and "now a days".....
     
  5. RDJ

    RDJ Boxing Junkie banned

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    Really? All I see is people giving opinions about things that worked for them. It's up to the person asking the question how that fits into his specific situation.
     
  6. ralphc

    ralphc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    In boxing times have changed but sadly not for the better. When kids have to resort to getting advice from some internet forum, you have to know that the training they are getting isn't worth a ****.
     
  7. RDJ

    RDJ Boxing Junkie banned

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    I have a good trainer but I come here for additional advice and / or opinions. Look if that's how you feel about this place and all you're going to contribute is negativity then seriously what the **** are you still doing here?

    And that in a thread that has nothing to do with "modern" training methods, it was a question 100% oldschool boxing related. You could have opted to share your infinite wisdom with us mal-trained and misinformed youngsters but instead you chose to be a grumpy old man again. Shame.
     
  8. MagnificentMatt

    MagnificentMatt Beterbiev literally kills Plant and McCumby 2v1 Full Member

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    The hell are you here for than, to *****?

    ..I think my trainers fine, I just like to get opinions and critique on things..
     
  9. tri-pod

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    nobody is making you post in the training forum. you should go and dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out you whinney miserable ****.
     
  10. tri-pod

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    im southpaw so everything i say just mirror it.

    a good jab is key and usually the best weapon you have against a mirrored opponent. (orthodox against southpaw,,, vice versa) it is how you keep timing and a very good way to bust up their shoulder. what i tend to do is throw five jabs. two rapid succession follwed by one single one and then two quick rapid succession again. mix it up anyway you want.(5 was just an example. you could do 10 3 7 whatever you fee like. just switch it up so you dont get timed yourself.) i do many rounds of nothing but jab.

    if you can get your jab good it will help with timing. an easy way to control a fight and keep your foot on the outside leaving your enemy open for right hooks and straight lefts.

    so instead of finding different weapons to utilize besides your job simply strengthen your jab.
     
  11. TheRock49

    TheRock49 Active Member Full Member

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    Same here. My trainer was the womens WBE middleweight belt holder a year ago, so I think she knows some stuff...
     
  12. Iceveins

    Iceveins Puglistic Linguistics Full Member

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    I've never had any success with my jab against a southpaw. Ever. And I don't think I ever will. Just doesn't work for me.
     
  13. Machiavelli

    Machiavelli The White Lion Full Member

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    I was referring to the fact that you wrote all that and didn't offer one bit of technical or, for that fact, actual advice. You just tell people of your experiences, and leave it at that. Maybe, just maybe, try to give some type of advice about what you're saying. How should he go about refining his style? How should he go about working on his jab? All you did was say Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier didn't have the same style or use the jab the same way. Wow, quite the keen eye you have there, Captain Obvious.

    In the context of the question, he did not ask what style he should use while fighting. He did not ask if he should be a swarmer, a slugger, etc. etc., he simply asked if anyone had any advice about getting his jab off more effectively against a southpaw.

    All you ever do is continually tell everyone how great the old-school is, how back in your day, blah blah blah. At least give some credible input, rather than spewing nonsense everywhere you turn.

    Wait...are you pudding?
     
  14. MagnificentMatt

    MagnificentMatt Beterbiev literally kills Plant and McCumby 2v1 Full Member

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    Yeah, Id say in general..not a very good poster for the training forum...

    I like how everyone overlooked what I tryed to throw out for the southpaw jab tips! haha
     
  15. RDJ

    RDJ Boxing Junkie banned

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    Totally ****ing worthless.

    I didn't overlook it mate, I just haven't replied to the on topic posts yet. I'll try some things tomorrow first :D