Jack Dempsey 1919 v Evander Holyfield 1987

No one ranks Patterson with Dempsey. No one ranks Patterson as an all time puncher. Your ignorance shows through like a bright light in a dark room. Dempsey is not rumored to hit hard. He was one of the hardest punchers ever to fight in the hwt division. You have so much to learn its laughable.

 

When you graduate high school let me know. You have your own little reality that does not compute on any level. Name one opponent that any of those fighters koed with one jab.

 

This should not be a question even in the most empty minded boxing fans feeble brain.

Dempsey crushes Holyfield. And I like Evander a lot even when he head butts.

 

Baloney. Dempsey only fought like two or three "bigger" heavyweights and they all sucked balls. Most of Dempsey's opponents were well under 200 lbs. Dempsey's whole career was smoke and mirrors.

 

Jack Dempsey vs Holyfield? Is this thread a joke? Did any of those guys who favor Dempsey actually seen those fights and compared them to Holyfield's fights?

Do you see how primitive boxing was in 1920s? Primitive movement, awful defense, not to mention that no boxer from 1920s could last more than a couple of rounds by today's standards.

I have no clue what's wrong with some people on this forum, it is so obvious that today's amateur boxers would have been absolutely taken any of 1920s guys to school with relative ease.

Look at Dempsey, primitive attack, no defense, no jab, no coordination, completely unable to cut off the ring. Today's boxers could neutralize all of his offense by grabbing. He would never be able to land anything. Holyfield would just KO him whenever he felt like doing it.

Nobody can dispute that Dempsey is an all time great but H2H he is not comparable to modern boxers.

For example, imagine something like Willard vs Solis? If you have any sense of objectivity you will know what I'm talking about.

 

Silly......Sam Langford, Ray Arcel, Lou Stillman, Benny Leonard, Gene Tunney, Whitey Bimstein, Jack Sharkey, Jersey Jones, Grantland Rice, Nat Fleischer, Charley Rose, Eric Jorgensen, many many others rated Dempsey among the top hwt champions who ever lived. Ring magazine as of 1962 rated Dempsey the greatest hwt of all time. Associated press in a poll of boxing writers in 1950 rated Dempsey the best. Dempsey to this day is rated as one of the hardest punchers ever to live and this is nearly 100 years after he won the championship. Not bad for smoke and mirrors. Rated by the best trainers and historians as one of the all time greatest. By some as the best. i would say there is something YOU are missing. OR maybe you are keen to rewrite history?

 

Hopeless.

 

Tommo..how old are you?

 

Always good to have an opinion. Even if it is wrong. As far as "us" goes, perhaps some of "us" were top pro boxers. Or maybe some were damn good street fighters and even both. Either way, Dempsey still would beat Holyfield and so would a lot of other guys.

 

I want a nutbag to respond to this powerful post.

 

now that's just ignorant upon ignorant

 

Holyfield dropped Bert Cooper and Mike Tyson with body shots... both 215-220 Lbs. at the time and just under 6'. Both big punchers. One an all-time great, one far from it.

At CW he stopped Qawi (Foreman and Holyfield were the only 2 that stopped him, gave M. Spinks a tough fight), Ocasio, Tillman, DeLeon, and others. These guys had to cut down to make 190 Lbs... pretty big HWs in Dempsey's day. At HW Holyfield knocked out Tillis, Thomas, Dokes, Rodrigues, Stewart, Douglas, Cooper, Czyz, Tyson, Moorer, and others. None of these guys were small. He dropped Bowe, Mercer, Oquendo, Savarese, and others. He rocked Foreman, Lewis, Ruiz, Rahman, and others. He punched plenty hard.

Dempsey stopped a big and clumsy, 37 1/2 year old, part-time fighter named Jess Willard. Well, he really wasn't part-time but he turned pro in 1911 and retired in 1923... he had 34 pro fights. Willard went 25-7-2 (20) overall and 2-1 (1) in HW World Title fights. He beat Carl Morris W10, Jack Johnson (KO26), and Frank Moran W10. He was stopped 3 times.

Dempsey fouled Sharkey repeatedly prior to stopping him in the 7th... the fouls set up the stoppage. Dempsey and Jim Flynn took turns stopping each other in the 1st round... both fights may have been fixed. Firpo knocked Dempsey out of the ring prior to getting stopped in the 2nd. He failed to stop Meehan in 5 fights... Meehan went 2-1-2 vs. Dempsey. He fought Gunboat Smith and Carl Morris twice each... both went the distance the first time they fought Dempsey. He beat some guys who were considered good in those days like Battling Levinsky (who couldn't break wind with his best punch), Bill Brennan, Billy Miske, Georges Carpentier (who was small even at LHW), and Tommy Gibbons (W15) among others.

Dempsey wouldn't be able to hurt Holyfield. Holyfield would be able to hurt Dempsey. Holyfield is taller, heavier, has the longer reach, stronger, more durable, and the better boxer. Holyfield by clear decision or mid-late round stoppage.

 

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I wish you wouldn't argue with him. He has David Haye and Rahman in his top ten Heavy's of all time list. Until that is corrected every other conversation in the heavyweight division is off the table.

 

You know what...scratch that last post. Your counter arguments are needed with him. You have the patience...so I commend you for it.