Jack Dempsey 1919 v Evander Holyfield 1987

Most of it is memorized in this old head of mine. I'm not that old though... almost 39. Anyway, Tommo... you are crazier than a **** house rat but I like you. There is a lot of truth in what you say, people need to understand that.

Sometimes, you discredit the oldtimers but you are entitled to your opinion. I don't always think newer is better but I do think that many of the all-time great HWs were a bit small to beat the HWs who were not only talented, but much bigger. Dempsey, Tunney, Charles, Marciano, Patterson... there best weight was under 190 Lbs, the tallest of them was 6'1"... hard to imagine them beating Bowe, Lewis, or the Klitschko's.

It is annoying when people act like it's sacrilegious to pick against certain fighters. Jerry Quarry sucked... get over it people!!!

People are quick to put Liston in there top 5, but they have a problem putting a Klitschko that high. Liston beat one fighter in HW World Title fights... KO1 Floyd Patterson x2. Patterson was a blown up LHW and was not very durable. Patterson was down more than any other HW Champ (20).:yikes Most of those knockdowns were from Liston and Johansson.

 

That's a blatant lie. This nutbag either has me confused with someone else or is blatantly lying. I don't even do top 10 lists, but if I did, Haye and Rahman wouldn't be on it.

 

Sorry, janitor, but we have the video of Willard, as well as his record, and he definitely sucked balls. What good "bigger heavyweights" did Dempsey actually beat? Willard doesn't count. Fulton? He was a 6'7" 210 lb string bean. Who does that leave? Carl Morris? You gotta be kidding me.

 

Well put.

 

So what you are basically saying, is that being a world class superheavyweight does not necessarily make you effective head to head, indeed you can be a world class superheavyweight and still be awful.

You are basically saying in as many words that size realy doesn’t count for anything.

If there is no assumption that these guys are effective head to head because they are big, then equally there can be no assumption that Wlad or Lewis would be effective head to head because they were big.

You can’t have it both ways.

 

Where is the proof that Willard was world class? You're acting like this is proven when it isn't. The video plainly shows that Willard was not world class. And Fulton was not a superheavyweight. A buffoon claimed that Dempsey regularly knocked out bigger heavyweights, which is a blatant lie. I asked you, what good bigger heavyweights did Dempsey actually beat? Willard - doesn't really count because Willard sucked. Fulton - a decent win, but Fulton was a string bean, not a superheavyweight. Morris - see Willard, also how do we know it wasn't fixed? Bottom line - Dempsey's resume is garbage and his whole career was smoke and mirrors.

 

Being the world champ doesnt always make you the best in the world... I guess it makes you world class though. Seldon, Bruno, and Botha had world title belts at one point.

 

You are welcome.

 

You are welcome.

 

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Number ten could easily be Hasim Rahman since he KO'ed Lennox with one shot and I have seen other places that you said he was dominate the 70's. I might be misquoting that last part. Pardon me if I did. Either way this list speaks volumes about your boxing judgment which you are absolutely intitled to have.

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No, even being the lineal champion doesn’t necessarily mean that you are the best fighter in the world.

I don’t think that Adonis Stevenson is literally the best light heavyweight in the world at the moment, but he is absolutely the man that you have to beat to be the man in the division.

As for being world class, Willard proved that when he started beating the second tier contenders of the division.

 

Tommo... come on man! I'm trying to like ya, but David Haye #7, and no Ali ???!!!:nono

A prime Holmes would have probably beat a prime Mike Tyson IMO, maybe even Evander Holyfield. I actually have him #2 behind Ali and above Holyfield... but I really don't have a problem with you having guys like Lewis, Bowe, and the Klitschko's really high on the list... at their best they were very good and hard to beat.

I actually think Haye is a very good HW but he needs to prove it. Long layoffs and few notable wins aren't going to gain him any respect. He may be the 3rd best HW right now but he needs to beat somebody. He should have already fought Povetkin but now W. Klitschko is going to do that. He could have fought Adamek before V. Klitschko did, that would have been a good win.

Give Ali his due man. He lost to your #8 when he was beyond washed up. He knocked out your #9. He was taller, with a longer reach, and close in weight (even a few Lbs. more) than your #5... and he knew how to use his size well.

 

Dempsey by ko.

Tyson would have also stopped holyfield in his prime