Jack Dempsey Against ...

I personally wouldn't pick Dempsey to beat any of those three men, though a lot of experts would give him an excellent chance against most of them. Louis in my opinion, was the greatest heavyweight puncher of all time, at least from a technical standpoint. I think that after 25 title defenses in 12 years, knockouts over large heavyweights, and wins over 6 men who were either past, present or future champs is enough to gain my confidence. Muhammad Ali's speed, chin, stamina and boxing ability would earn him a comfortable decision. Frazier may well be the only one of the three who is truly vulnerable to a Dempsey attack, but I'm still not sold on picking Jack. Joe's handspeed and upper body movement was remarkable for a heavyweight. He'd also have a lot of power, work effort and a significant weight advantage...

 

Could be the case.. If Dempsey is going to beat Frazier,then my guess is that it would have to happen sometime early. As this fight goes on, I envision Joe getting more and more the better of Dempsey and frankly, I can't see Jack surviving 15 rounds of the kind of relentless pressure that Joe would be placing on him..

 

I think it would be a fight fan's type of match. Lot's of action from both men. These guys each had an extremely high workrate. Joe had the faster hands, while Dempsey was quicker on his feet. I can see an incredible number of punches thrown in the first few rounds. I also wouldn't be surprised to see both men visit the canvas along the way.

 

TM = brought together by time machine, each out of his own day.

CA = they come along in the same era, peak at the same time.

Dempsey v Frazier: TM -- I favor Dempsey by a sliver; CA -- I favor Dempsey a little.

Dempsey v Louis: TM -- I favor Louis a little; CA -- I favor Louis a sliver.

Dempsey v Ali: TM -- I favor Ali somewhat; CA -- I favor Ali a little.

 

Given that I am neither a fighter nor trainer, I couldn't say for sure. I do not think that there is any real scientific correlation though that having sex within days prior to strenuous activity will effect performance. If anything, trainers may prefer that their fighters avoid being with partners mainly due to the psychological distraction, but again I haven't got the expertise to say for sure.

 

i think dempsey loses all three....he possibly beats frazier but i am confident that ali and louis would be able to outbox him and louis would stop him at some point in the fight.

 

Dempsey versus Frazier is a tough one to call. If Jack were to hurt Joe early, he'd get the duke. If Oscar Bonavena and Ron Stander could hurt Joe early, I think Jack could do some serious damage early on. Joe normally lost the opening rounds, so the fact that he was a slow starter would be a huge disadvantage against Dempsey and would likely cost him the fight.

As for Louis, I think he would beat Dempsey, but it would not surprise me if Jack knocked him out. Joe was always capable of being dropped with flash knockdowns. Jack has a great chance here. It's really 50/50, but I'd give the slight edge to Louis.

Aside from Tyson and Tua, I'd give any of the relentless swarmer heavywieghts a good chance of beating Ali. I think Marciano and Dempsey could hurt Ali as much as Frazier did. (Ali said himself that Rocky could hurt him even worse than Frazier did.) In a nutshell, Jack's left hook was even faster than Frazier's, and he had a thunderous right hand to go along with it. So he could spell trouble for Ali. However, he didn't have the stamina that Rocky and Frazier had, so he may not win the fight in the end. But he would give him trouble.

 

Interesting topic.

Like has been said before it took "Smoking" Joe a few rounds to warm up, so that could spell trouble against a hard combination puncher like Dempsey. Dempsey would have to relentlessly attack Frazier in the early rounds to take him out. And he would have to make sure his punches were precise and hurt Frazier. If he did that he could take Frazier out. But if Dempsey couldn't take Joe out in the early rounds I'd give it Frazier. Dempsey couldn't handle Frazier ferocious body attacks for 15 rounds, he's definitely gonna drop before that. I don't think Dempsey fought somebody with such a consistent, effective, body attack as Frazier. By the middle rounds Frazier would have the fight in the bag because Dempsey's lack of mobility. Dempsey's ribs and kidneys would be broken down and Frazier would then go on the attack and finish him off.

I personally think Joe Louis had too many weapons for Dempsey. Like Jam said Louis could very well get knocked down but I think his speed and devastating punching power would be too much for Dempsey to handle.

Although it would be a good fight I think Dempsey would take out Ali Dempsey capitalized off of opponents who gave him any type of lead way. Ali was known for dropping his hands and having difficulty blocking a jab or a left hook. Dempsey was good at all three and he could take you out with either right or left hand. And his left hook was absolute murder. Once Ali dropped his hands Dempsey could land a left hook along with other punches behind that. Ali couldn't make amateur mistakes with Dempsey. If Ali worked on these techniques he could beat or give Dempsey a run for his money. But he always had fundamental flaws so I'd give it to Dempsey.

 

Yes, I remember in the Magic Man documentary how Paulie was getting tired and stressed for all the training, dieting, and no sex, etc.

 

Remember that Joe Louis was flat footed, and Dempsey would cut off the ring, trapping him against the ropes. Joe was not a great mover at all. Trap him against the ropes and he's helpless. Rocky Marciano proved just that in his fight against Louis. Dempsey would bob and weave to slip Joe's punches and Joe would eventually catch a counterpunch from Dempsey that would lay him out. Joe had faster handspeed than Dempsey (not by a wide margin, but he did) but if Louis were dropped by Braddock, Galento, Baer, Walcott and others, I have no doubt that Dempsey would catch and drop him too. And the consequences would be worse. Jack was a better puncher than all of those guys. Once Jack has you hurt, you're finished.

Yeah, but it wasn't just the body punches and smothering style that Frazier used to beat Ali; it was the stamina. Frazier's stamina was never-ending. Same as Rocky Marciano. These guys actually got stronger and faster as the fight progressed. Dempsey was at his best during the opening rounds. Ali had such a great chin; you're never gonna knock him out in the first round. Joe managed to hurt Ali because he gradually broke him down with relentless body punching early on, resulting in Ali becoming softer, slower and much more vulnerable later in the fight. In Dempsey's case, he would go for the kill early against a fresh Ali, and Ali would be able to tear him apart later in the fight as Dempsey gradually tired out.

 

Good points. Louis did have trouble with smothering fighters as you mentioned. But Joe was one of the few fighters would had the ability to knock you out moving backwards. Would be a good fight most definitely.

Ali could definitely take a punch but I think with Dempseys hard and quick combination punches he would hurt Ali real bad. You couldn't drop your hands like Ali does against a fighter like Dempsey, it was OV. Frazier doesn't hit as hard as Demspey and we saw what he did every time Ali dropped his hands, he worked him. So with a fighter like Dempsey those opportunites are like letting a tiger out of a cage. Ali had tremendous speed but he had to keep Dempsey from getting on the inside for him to win. He could do it though.