Jack Dempsey Against ...

I would favor Dempsey over Frazier. He'd lose to Louis. Ali and Dempsey would be closely matched and I can see both fighters winning if they fought a few times.

 

I hate to create a stir but I think Dempsey has a very good style vs Frazier and could hurt Joe early if the fight goes later I would favor Joe with his superior stamina....Dempsey had an excellent hook and fast hands...I also think he has an excellent chance to land on Ali his hook and hurt Ali, however I favor Ali over the 15 rd route...with louis Jack has a punchers chance and an early shot...but I favor Joe in this shootout...Dempsey had 2 good hands but Joe was the best combo puncher ever...do not count Jack out completely in any of these 3 fights, though

 

I think Frazier's power was on the same level as Dempsey's once he warmed up. After all, Frazier is the man who broke a blood vessel above George Chuvalo's eye and put permanent scars on Chuck Wepner as well. Matter of fact, Joe has broken many bones along the way, just a Dempsey had. Frazier's punching power in round 11 was the same as Jack Dempsey's in round 1.

As for Dempsey beating Ali, I just don't see it. It takes a long time to hurt Muhammad Ali. George Foreman pounded on Ali's body for 7 rounds and couldn't hurt him. It even took Joe Frazier 11 rounds to finally hurt Ali severely in their first fight. Dempsey's early attacks wouldn't hurt Ali the way that they would later in the fight.

You mentioned that Frazier made Ali miss and made him pay, but Ali wasn't hurt until late in the fight. Stamina was Frazier's greatest weapon against Ali. Ali would be able to take Dempsey's punches early on and then cleverly outbox him later in the fight when Dempsey begins to tire. The fact that Frazier was a slow starter was an advantage for him because he was at his best during the long haul. Dempsey, on the other hand, would be getting tired and wouldn't be the aggressor he was in the first couple of rounds.

By round 11, Frazier or Marciano would be hurting Ali while someone like Dempsey, Tyson or Foreman would be too tired to be effective or aggressive.

 

i think joe louis would score a a clean KO versus dempsey
ali would do as he pleased
frazier would win over the stretch

 

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I like Dempsey to stop Frazier inside 6 rds.
Dempsey overwhelms Louis inside 2 rds, before Joe can get his great jab working.
Ali takes a dec from Jack, but has a couple of scares along the way.

 

I favor Dempsey over Frazier by a shade, given Frazier's slow starts and tendency to get hurt early in fights, and Dempsey's fast starts and history of hurting people early in fights.

I favor Louis over Dempsey by a tiny bit, given Dempsey's tendency to get nailed and hurt with right hands and taking into account how fast, powerful and precise Louis' right hand was, I think it's more likely Louis gets Dempsey than the other way around (I used to pick Dempsey over Louis, but I think less of Dempsey's chin after it's become clear that his KO loss to Jim Flynn was probably legit).

Ali would UD Dempsey or stop him late on accumulative damage, maybe cuts, but it would be a shitty night for the both of them, and Ali might have to come off the floor.

 

its depends... what rules????

bare knuckle (pre queensberry) dempsy (all of em)

Bare knuckle queensberry he gets his ass kicked



Boxers in the old days just used to be master street scrappers. Not the athletic genius's(like ALI) or just straight up goarilla animal monsters (like foreman).

With the glove and sportman conduct, dempsey would lose. However, in the bareknuckle fight, dempsey would whoop ass

Not to get on dempsey's meat, Jack Johnson would DESTROY him, Dempsey was pretty ***** for not fightin dark brothers, but that will always will forgotten :hey

Old school boxers were more like scrappers then athletes.. Thats why jack johnson or dempsey will always beat todays heavies's in a real scrap!! :bbb

 

Dempsey - Frazier could be like Paq - Marquez.

Dempsey could definately give Ali a very tough bout. I see him chasing Ali all over the ring. Ali lacked the power to seriously hurt him. Alii would be favored by decision but it could be extremely interesting.

I personally think he might pull off a win over the 1973 Foreman. His explosive speed and power make him a far different match up than a 1973 Frazier.

I do not like his chances against Liston, Lewis or Tyson. If he caught Joe Louis first he could win but that to me at best is one out of three. Holyfield would be a war but I lean to Evander by decision.

 

Frazier NEVER fought Wepner.
How do you know being a slow starter would be an advantage to Frazier,? Dempsey might bomb him out early, when he would be most vulnearable.
The only real big puncher Frazier faced used him as a yo yo.

 

Well, evidently, they were sparring partners at some point because Wepner was talking about how Frazier would double up with his left hooks. He said Frazier hit him with a hard left to the kidneys and immedieatly followed up with a hard left to the head. Chuck said this on "Burt Sugar's Ringside Top Ten Heavyweights" DVD.

What are you talking about? I never even said that Dempsey would bomb out Frazier early. That post you quoted was me talking about how Dempsey could possibly beat Joe Louis, but possibly lose to Muhammad Ali. I never once talked about a Frazier/Dempsey matchup in that post. Read it again.

 

I didnt suggest that you did, I SAID DEMPSEY MIGHT BOMB FRAZIER OUT EARLY.So therefore the advantage you suppose Frazier has of being a late starter,and at his best over the long haul would be negated .
Why you think Dempsey would not be the aggressor late in a fight is beyond me,ever see him going backwards in a fight at ANY stage?
Check Wepner's record on box rec if you don't take my word.

 

OK. Misunderstanding. All is good.

I believe you about Chuck, but I'm just going by what he said on the DVD. Since he never fought Joe professionally, he had to have been a sparring partner for Joe at some point in time. I don't think he was lying.

And while Dempsey never relinquished his aggressive assault, he was not as ferocious in round 9 as he was in round 1. The killer instinct was still there, but he definitely tired as the fight progressed. He was getting winded when Jess Willard wouldn't stay down. You can't get tired early or midway through a fight, especially against a clever fighter like Ali. I just don't see him being able to stop Ali or hang in there with him for 15 rounds.

 

:huh Really? How... Seems somewhat odd a comparison.

Another case of Dempsey's durability being overrated. Didn't Tunney drop him with a jab while backpedaling. Tunney is one of the weakest hitting HW champs ever. He also closed his eyes when they fought. Though, Dempsey wasn't in his prime but still. Firpo dropped him twice. If Ali could TKO Bonavena then he can certainly hurt/drop Dempsey, especially since he hurt Frazier...

And it's you who talks about Rocky fanaticism? Okay, just checking...

 

joe louis takes dempsey. joe was the better boxer the better ring general. i also think louis had more strenght then dempsey.. frazier also takes dempsey. joe had at least the same heart and stamina as dempsey and was faster and the better boxer. and ali would be way way way to fast. i know ali wasn't at his best against swarmers but the difference between ali and dempsey is to big.

 

Based on this posts I think it's safe to say that Dempsey is not overrated in terms of his legacy but in terms of H2H. We can all thank Jess Williard for that.

In my honest assessment Dempsey loses to all 3 of the fighters. His chances against Ali aren't live. Rocky and Frazier and even Tyson have the better style and more ability to stop or decision Ali. Dempsey has to KO Ali early, otherwise he loses... he doesn't have a stamina edge nor does his durability hold up. It's interesting that someone pointed about rules, which is important. If Dempsey's durability isn't overrated because of small gloves than his power was... take your pick. Dempsey had a savage and raw ability to fight while hurt well and he recovered well, however, he could be hurt and by fighters that aren't in the same ballpark of Louis, Frazier, and Ali.

Louis would KO Dempsey most badly of all of them.