Jack Dempsey and Harry Wills

Not sure I put Patterson over Tommy Gibbions imo. Pound for pound to speak, not as heavyweight.

 

You aren't promoting the discredited and highly racist "negro superman" theory, are you?

 

Im talking heavyweight here. Patterson would have killed gibbons. Look at the talent/speed/strength/power difference between the two on film. Peek A Boo would have wrecked gibbons with his low gaurd.

 

Agreeed

 

Look alll I know is the colored heavyweight title reign from 1905-1920 was too tough for any white heavyweight of that time(outside of jack dempsey) to win. The colored heavyweight title reign during that time was more competitive and had better talents than the linear heavyweight title for the most part. The white heavyweights of the early 1900's ducked the top black fighters and drew the color line because they knew they could not beat them.

 

Perhaps Dempsey is part black?

I'll take a 1905 Jim Jeffries over Denver Ed or any of the other fighters bearing that magic negro superman gene as well. Perhaps the inherent superiority of the negro was confined to heavyweights, as I don't see a correlative pattern at lower weights during this period.

If you think black fighters are somehow naturally superior to "whites", you should come out and say so openly, rather than just hint at it by claiming, "Sonny Liston fought the best BLACK heavyweights of his era, unlike Jack Dempsey."

 

OK ... dickhead... lets take a look at things. What happened the first time a 'black man' faught for the H/W title???? Boxing Day 1908, Rushcutters Bay, Sydney, Australia...... Thats what happened!!!

Would you forsake Jack Johnson vs Jim Jeffries in 1905 too??

Would you forsake Peter Jackson over John L. at any time prior to 1895?????

 

To be fair to Jack ,he was a little old to be tangling with Machen,Folley and Williams.

 

But Jeanette wasnt too old to be tangling with jacky boy considering he got in the ring with the mauler, and the mauler left the ring like a scared jack rabbit while the crowd booed, and newspapers decribed it as a "black eye for boxing"

Not to mention ducking Sam Langford in 1917, Harry Wills for 7 years, and refusing challenged matches with Kid Norfolk. Also post 1924 Dempsey wanted no part of George Godfrey in a proffesional fight.

 

Joe Jeannette was very comfortable financially he bought property with his ring earnings.

 

Interesting post on Sharkey / Wills ... why zero mention that Wills was 37 at the time ? Slightly important factor ...

 

Well that's a flaming lie. Why don't you reprint the entire newspaper article?

 

In 1917 Langford lost his Coloured heavyweight Title to Bill Tate, Dempsey's sparring partner.

 

Negro Superman Tate would have whipped Dempsey - sparring doesn't mean jack ****!

 

Wait are you guys denying Jack Dempsey turned down a fight in 1917 with Sam Langford? In fact jack said himself he did so out of fear of getting knocked out