Jack Dempsey and The Color Line...

I'm not confusing anything.You said Dempsey was employed to break in virgins in brothels There is not one shred of evidence that there is even one iota of truth in this.But you didn't let that get in the way of you making that allegation.

Which brothel was Dempsey employed by? I ask this because Dempsey met Maxine Cates, his first wife in1915, in a cabaret/saloon called Maxim's ,situated on Salt Lake's commercial street, Dempsey was 19 years old Maxine 34.

Cates played the piano there and possibly did some extra curricular work as well. Dempsey has never been proven to have worked in a brothel, benefitted in any financial way from hookers,pimped his wife ,or been involved in raping women for the purposes of them later being then being forced to work in cathouses, all of which you have stated on this forum in the past.

As I recall you also mentioned his slacker/ draft dodging trial and the fact that his wife gave evidence against him. Dempsey was cleared in open court of ALL the allegations brought against him and his wife retracted her statements.
Dempsey was able to prove that apart from helping to support his large family,Mother ,Father sisters and brothers, he also regularly sent his estranged wife cheques .

Maxine Cates later died horrifically in a fire in a brothel .

It's a wonder you didn't accuse Dempsey of starting the fire, but perhaps you were not aware of the circumstances of her demise? Your posts on Dempsey then left a nasty taste in my mouth and your weaseling about them now and your revisionist attempts to"adjust your stance," has brought that taste back.
You are a fine poster but in my opinion that episode of your time here should make you feel ashamed.

 

hey seamus, sorry if i am confused, i am interested what mcvey meant with his slave comment and raping virgin comment about you towards Dempsey?

You are both decent posters and it surprised me. If it was two trolls talking to each other i wouldn't of been interested.

Did Dempsey actually have **** allegations against him that you know about?

I noticed you used the word "breaking them in" above to Mcvey when he quoted you as using the word "****" previously. What is the truth as there is a big difference between **** and breaking them in. Or are you implying that because they were white slaves they had no choice but to be broken in so it was essentially **** even if they willingly gave themselves to Dempsey?

All good i don't mean to sound like a inquisition seamus, just curious.

 

As you like.

 

so you are trying to tell me that nobody bad mouths Dempsey?

are you stupid Foxy?

Above on this very thread about a half dozen posts before you is this post,,,,

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Dempsey was contracted to box an exhibition for charity his opponent failed to turn up .Jeannette challenged Dempsey to a fight and Dempsey sensibly turned it down. Why would Dempsey be afraid of a man whom a 20 years old Carpentier had taken down the wire , despite only scaling168.5lbs? Many thought Carpentier won that fight. Langford did not ko any heavyweights of any consequence from 1920 until he retired, he either stopped past it names, novices, or journeymen.and his record emphatically states that!


It's very difficult to argue with someone who is sub- normal and cannot read English, not only difficult but unrewarding.

My argument with Seamus is over his statement that Greb beat lots of decent heavyweights between 1920 and 1923 [his time frame],.I've proved he didn't, just as I proved Flowers did not fight," numerous fights weighing 170lbs and over".


The time you spend here would be more profitably spent trying to graduate from 3 rd grade.

Very obvious Dempsey feared black fighters, they reminded him too much of me when I would crawl on his ceiling at night when he was a boy and scream Babadooooooo
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regardless Foxy, lets get to the real point of this, you bad mouthed Burt when you were in a bad mood and you don't want to take ownership for it, so you are instead claiming that nobody has ever bad mouthed Dempsey on this site correct??

 

this was the post that i was trying to quote,

 

Greb defeated Jack Dillon(2), Jeff Smith(2), Willie Meehan(2), Gunboat Smith, Battling Levinsky(6), Billy Miske(2), Bill Brennan(2), Bartley Madden and Mike Gibbons!

Jack Dempsey fought some of the same guys, except he did not do as well in some cases.

Dempsey lost to Meehan, drew with Miske, had to come back to beat Brennan once.

Greb was ranked #2 in Ring Magazine rating behind Wills whom Dempsey's management did not want to fight. Greb deserved a title shot from Dempsey.

This should settle the debate.

 

Jack Dillon was a 5'7.5" middle/lightheavyweight.

Jeff Smith was a career middleweight ,only once fighting out of that class, in his third to last fight when he was 36 and he lost that fight.

Bartley Madden was a novice in his two fights with Greb 10-2-1 and 9-1-0.
Levinsky was a lightheavyweight in all his decision losses to Greb .Dempsey kod Levinsky in 3 rounds.
Willie Meehan was never a ranked heavyweight he was a 4 round specialist who could absorb punches.
Gun Boat Smith was a washed up wreck when Greb beat him he was stopped claiming an eye injury.
Dempsey destroyed Smith in 1918 flooring him9 times in the 2 rds the fight lasted.
Dempsey was the first man to stop Miske.
Gibbons lost 2 fights to Greb,he also gave him what was described as "the hiding of his life" in another fight.
Greb beat Brennan in 1919 by decision.. Dempsey ko'd Brennan twice being the first man to do so.
Greb decisioned Miske, a year later Dempsey ko'd him in 3rds. Which year was Greb ranked no 2 in the heavyweight ratings of the Ring Magazine as you state?.
The Ratings did not begin until 1924 and Greb was dead in1926 .

From1923 until his death Greb beat ONE heavyweight of any note Quintin Romero Rojas, who had lost his last 4 fights ,and would lose his next 3.. I repeat which year was Greb rated the number 2 heavyweight?

 

Dempsey can still cause a good tear up today!

 

It is in the nature of what we are doing, that the evidence is never compelling. We are trying to calculate rankings, in an era where there were no rankings.

The cases for the defence would be as follows:

Miske
When Dempsey was trying to get a title shot, Miske, Fulton and himself, were seen as the three legged stool of potential challengers. Obviously he resolved the question with Fulton. I can see how Miske might have carried more currency as a challenger, than his circumstances dictated.

Carpintier
It is obvious that Greb was the better fighter in hindsight, but he was basically picking the actual light heavyweight champion, over somebody who some people thought was a better fighter than the champion. See the logic?

Gibbons
Gibbons was highly touted in the press, and he had beaten Greb inside Dempsey’s title reign. It only takes one loss for Greb, or a lot of work in the lower weight classes, to push Gibbons to the forefront.

Firpo
Greb was done as a serious heavyweight challenger. Case closed.

 

Another rational appraisal.

 

From 1923 till 1926 and his death ,who did Greb beat at heavyweight that merited him getting a title shot?
You can say Greb could have fought Dempsey in1920, Gibbons thrashed Greb early that year, he lost to him twice but beat Madden and Miske. The standout challenger was Wills not Greb.