Jack Dempsey and The Color Line...

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  1. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Amen.
     
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  2. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Pretty sure they sparred with 8 oz. gloves, though having gone at it with both 8 and 10 ounce gloves, there is not a whole lot difference. Greb had Dempsey got by far the better of it. The fight didn't happen because it was a very high risk affair that might relinquish the title from Rickard's greedy paws.
     
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  3. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Now, there is an "amen". Can you imagine todays fighters sparring with 8 or 10 oz gloves, those were some tough guys.
    I manage fighters so I tend to look at things from a managers POV. If I was Kearns I would've done the same thing.
     
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  4. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes , Jack Kearns reluctance to match his heavyweight money machine
    Jack Dempsey with the MW great Harry Greb was a "high risk" situation.
    But the other part of the equation was that it was certainly -
    A NO WIN situation . If Dempsey should catch up to Greb and flatten him, the boxing public would bellow " why don't Dempsey pick on someone his own size, the big bully ". Yep, a "no win situation" better left undone...
     
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  5. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Why risk the title when you can completely manufacture safe opponents like Carpentier out of thin air and still set gate records?
     
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  6. latineg

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    hey Seamus, where do you rate Dempsey among your all time best heavys approximately? Or do you?
     
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  7. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Even a neophyte in boxing history should know that Georges Carpentier was the idol of France and was a helluva great attraction and say what you will about Carpentier, he had a laser right hand ,combined with Hollywood good looks, and made money at the gate for everyone involved...Somehow S, I suspect
    you a bright man and in Dempsey's camp would have DONE the same thing matching Dempsey with Carpentier drawing 80,000 fans and almost $2,000,000 at the gate. A fantastic sum of money for those times. Ah, hypocrisy is live and well today...:patsch
     
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  8. Seamus

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    So, he required a fixed fight to give even remote credibility as a challenger to the Dempsey's crown?

    I've been reading over many articles up to the fight and no one in the US, NO ONE, took Carpentier to be a legit threat as the fight drew near.

    Yes, it was a cash grab. But this is Prize Fighting. If we are to rank great prize collectors of the sport, Dempsey & Co. are high on the list.
     
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  9. Seamus

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    Top 3.
     
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  10. mcvey

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    Thin Air? Carpentier was the reigning European heavyweight champion, so not exactly a tyro.
     
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  11. burt bienstock

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    Top 3, Lord you have a funny way of showing it, but better late than never...Let us raise our mugs to Jack Dempsey, a helluva fighter and revered gentleman in retirement ! cheers...
     
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  12. dempsey1234

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    Just like Mayweather
     
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  13. Berlenbach

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    Just out of curiosity, what's your rationale for him being top 3? Head to head? Accomplishments?
     
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  14. Seamus

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    Carriage.
     
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  15. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Yes, a victory over Joe Becket rings as sound as multiple wins over Brennan, Gibbons and Miske.

    You got me there.
     
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