Jack Dempsey and The Color Line...

All the 'experts' said Dempsey would win, which is as good as an actual win. In the eyes of some anyway.

 

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You guys are now drowning and reaching for straws. Pathetic.

 

You can talk about the million dollar gates, the exciting fights and so on, yet Dempsey is also the champion who never faced by far his most deserving and best qualified challenger. There's simply no getting around that. It was a major talking point about Dempsey when he was still champion and it has been one ever since. To pretend that was not the case is to deny reality.

If it really was an non-issue and Wills really was a nobody, you wouldn't get so angry and defensive whenever someone mentions it.

 

Too many on here have either reading comprehension issues or are out and out haters of Jack Dempsey. The history, the very well known history mind you, completely exonerated Dempsey from blame as did Wills himself years later.

 

Years later being the key term. Much nearer to the time Wills said Dempsey was afraid to fight him. Doesn't sound like an exoneration to me.

 

Average fan? Look to the historians the 50 years since Dempsey lost the title and see how highly he is rated. Today even though many have come after him his abilities and greatness as s hwt are not overlooked. The greatest fighter pfp stated Dempsey was "the greatest hwt he had ever seen." Arcel the great trainer in boxing history rated Dempsey, Ali and Louis as his three top ATG hwts. Fleischer the greatest boxing historian from that time rated Dempsey at No 4 ATG hwt. Modern historians such as Monte Cox rates Dempsey in his top 10. Cox also being very knowledgable of the history of the proposed Dempsey Wills bout lays no blame on Dempsey as it should be. Dempsey was exonerated from blame 90 years ago. Every decent historian knows this as fact.

 

Now among your other attributes you are a psychologist,
"you wouldn't get so angry and defensive whenever someone mentions it"

Nah, that's not it, it's more that I don't like bully's who bully with name calling and putting somebody down cos they are not as knowledgeable as themselves.
This,

"yet Dempsey is also the champion who never faced by far his most deserving and best qualified challenger.".

Who really cares besides you the few? Dempsey is still Dempsey and will always be Dempsey the ATG.

"It was a major talking point about Dempsey when he was still
champion and it has been one ever since",

so sayeth you the few.

 

I agree, but the sarcastic remarks, name calling and sheer arrogance displayed is not necessary. Me I come on here to learn about the great history of our sport. If someone who is just a fan comes on here and says something you may not agree with, respond respectfully.
Mc, I read your series(I hope it's yours) on the top 50 MW and LHW, I love the bits you write on each, some of them I never even heard of. Thanks for that.

 

In 1950, the Associated Press conducted a poll of sportswriters to name the greatest fighter of all-time, pound-for-pound, and Dempsey was the runaway winner, collecting 251 votes. [Joe Louis finished a distant second with 109 votes; Henry Armstrong was third with 13.] The sportswriters of the first half of the century named Dempsey as the greatest fighter they had ever seen.

Fleischer rated Dempsey the No 4 greatest hwt and called him the best infighter and having the best two handed attack.

As late as 1962, in the Dec 1962 Ring Magazine, a panel of 40 boxing writers tabbed Dempsey as the greatest heavyweight of all time.

In the modern era Bert Sugar rated Jack Dempsey as the # 1 all time pound for pound heavyweight. Charley Rose rated him # 3. Eric Jorgensen rates him #2. Cox's Corner rates him # 6.

Note how highly Dempsey is rated by modern historians as well as those from his era. Do not think they all have got it wrong. They would know more than you.

 

I think I can be an arrogant, and abusive kunt, but you take it to a new level.

Basically all you are is another dog. If dogs were clever they would sit the FIRST time they were told to sit. The fact that it takes them months of intensive training before they finally grasp that simple command makes them fuking dogs.

Similarly you boast about YEARS of you researching OTHER PEOPLES first hand knowledge, then plagiarising parts of those works to compile your own revised version of their life's works, and you then promote your worthless ego, by saying the people you stole information from are all nobodies, and you are something special.

I see you as a very poor mans version of Paul Theroux. At least he had the guts to go and try to survive in the places he wrote about.

The most comical of your replies on this thread was to McVey when he said you would not last 5 minutes in his local " pub " in Kent.

You are actually stupid, or naive, or both enough to reply to him, that the locals would be picking their teeth up off the floor whilst you walked out in one piece.

Let me tell you, there are plenty of South London " faces " that made good in life and moved out to Kent. The environment may well of changed, but the mentality didn't. A loud mouthed, know it all Murican would be manna from heaven to these guys. They would treat you as a welcome change from the usual mundane " sports " of pool, and darts.

The only hope you would have would be to hope your own books came out in paperback as opposed to hardback as they were shoving them up your ****.