Jack Dempsey and The Color Line...

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I have posted multiple newspaper accounts too - ones that do not contradict your newspaper accounts even!

    :lol: NO I DON'T. I say they DO exist.

    No i don't say this! I'm asking you to PROVE the majority felt that Dempsey was not fouled and say that you have not done this.

    The difference between you and me is, that i say "i'm not sure" and you say "i am absolutely sure and anyone who disagrees is a liar."

    That is absurd and unreasonable without proof, which you have not provided.


    1 - I have never stated this, so, wrong.

    1 - If you feel it is inarguable, PROVE. IT.

    Don't just endlessly repeat it and repeat the same articles over and over again.

    What is your PROOF?
     
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  2. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The majority is not ALL. Some as I have already pointed out saw one thing or another. This is Phycology 101. This article and many more state that the "Majority at ringside felt it appeared to be a fair blow. The crowd entertained no doubt as to the fairness of Dempseys victory. "
    The Republican Journal

    In other words it was a spectacular KO and the crowd went crazy in excitement over the KO and DEMPSEYS victory. The building shook from the crowds excitement as per the articles of the day.

    I have also pointed out an article that there was a potential reason why certain sport writers choose to cry "low blow". Many (most) picked Sharkey to win and this was a convienent OUT for these reporters.
     
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  3. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I read an at least four articles yesterday that stated the crowd was in a frenzy cheering Dempsey for his victory. They are readily available. Since you demand news articles that prove the truth of this bout then refuse to admit the truth once I post them you can go ahead and find descriptions of the bouts end. They are readily available. You are very dishonest.
     
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  4. Seamus

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    Game.



    Set.



    Match.
     
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  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yes, but you have made repeated MAJORITY claims on the forum.

    This requires proof. In other words, PROVE that the "majority" is on your side - give details of the detailed research you have done to assure us of this.

    Yes but OTHERS have provided articles that say that the majority feel that it was a low blow.

    So where does that leave us?

    I've asked you three or four times now - but how do you prove this? Where is your proof of this? If it is just your opinion state it as such.

    I read "an at leat" four articles that "it was in a frenzy" for the low blow.

    Can you produces these articles?

    Then link them.

    Link the "four articles" that prove the frenzy was for a knockout.
     
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  6. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You again are very dishonest.

    I posted a snippet from an article from the night of the fight as follows:
    "To the MAJORITY at ringside it appeared to be a fair blow. The crowd entertained no doubt as to the fairness of Dempseys victory. "
    The Republican Journal

    If you want the writer of this first hand account to explain his comments it may be difficult to do. He is long dead.

    The sentence "the crowd entertained no doubt as to the fairness of DEMPSEYS victory" reveals that the crowd was not in an uproar over any foul.

    Again if you want the writer of this first hand account to explain what he meant let me know what you are smoking.
     
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  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    You have repeated this accusation 4-5 times and until now i have ignored it.

    No amount of repetition will make it true.

    1) i haven't stated ANYTHING strange or extreme, just asked you to explain your statements - which you haven't

    2) i am a long-time poster here. Mendoza and Klompton might consider me dishonest but that would be all. Your examination isn't that relevant.

    Yeah, i know. Stop posting it now please? The thread is long, but posting it once every page is unreasonable. Post it once every five or six or something if you feel it is important.

    :lol: no. i don't want that.

    You are claiming absolutely superiority for a given point of view.

    POSTING NEWSPAPER ARTICLES THAT SUPPORT THIS POINT OF VIEW DOES NOT PROVE THIS.

    You have to perform research full stop - how many articles of both kinds exist? Is it CERTAIN that they are not ap/up articles? How do we know this? Have any articles been dispatched by either manager? How do we know this?

    Note, i have no objection to one or the other kind of articles being re-produced. But if you are stating any opinion other than your own is invaluable, prove it.

    You must prove such a statement.
     
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  8. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    To be fair, let's agree to disagree, it wasn't resolved then and it wont be resolved now. Everybody has an opinion, even the ATG Benny Leonard claiming it was a straight right hand when I couldn't see one. Sharkey was getting killed to the body in the 7th. I believe Sharkey being the actor that he was, was milking the situation as he himself admitted. Even if it was a low blow that caused him to drop his hands, and there is no denying the left hook put him down not the low blow. Seemed to me that he was looking for a way out. If the low blow was so devastating he would have been grabbing his jewels not turning to the ref and crying. Now was the fight dirty? Yes it was there had been head butts galore and low blows by each. It was a rough fight by two rough guys.
     
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  9. McGrain

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    Accurate. Not accepted as accurate by Perry.
     
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  10. Seamus

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    Let's not agree to disagree and watch the comedy unfurl.

    The Dempsey spell is strong and some can't be unseated from its compulsion. Watching them squirm is funnest part.
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  11. Perry

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    The Republican Journal July 22 1927 page seven column two paragraph 4


    "Sharkey was helped to his corner as the crowd let loose its outburst and as hats sailed into the ring. The vast majority of the crowd entertained no doubts as to the fairness as well as the decisiveness of Dempseys victory if their wild acclaim could be accepted as proof of their feelings"

    I win again.
     
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  12. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oh and this tidbit:

    Same page column four last paragraph:

    "Sharkeys handlers claimed the blow was foul but the referee disallows it. PROBABLY THE GREATEST OVATION EVER GIVEN A FIGHTER WAS ACCORDED DEMPSEY AS THE REFEREE RAISED HIS HAND IN VICTORY. THE STADIUM FAIRLY ROCKED"
     
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  13. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    AND I provided the admission from O'Sullivan that at least one of the last three rights was low. AND I provided the account from Benny F*cling Leonard who was feet away that the blows were low.

    GAME.

    SET.

    MATCH.
     
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  14. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lol. Sea you are so lame and you do not even realize it.
     
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  15. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Do more research Sea and you will see the ref never admitted any of the three right uppercuts to the body were low. He is referring to a right hand that slid off Sharkeys arm and hit his leg. All newspaper accounts mention this punch. The ref stated it was unintentional and had no effect on Sharkey. If you ever get high speed internet in that backward country of yours you can see that punch yourself. It came within the punch sequence preceding the final combination.

    I win again. You are so easy.
     
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