Jack Dempsey colorized clips

Nothing really matters on this board. And I enjoyed them, especially the third one. I can imagine that is how things actually looked... I can imagine that.

However, if it did matter, these would not make good evidence for any argument.

 

Happen to have a link to where this was discussed?

 

Great footage, enjoyed watching that.

 

Checked real quick but I couldn't find it. I just remember that he was criticizing Reznick for describing some of his (Reznick's) film revisions as "improvements," if I recall correctly. Klompton (and maybe others) discussed some of the ways that it could be inaccurate or misleading, I think.

 

I don't see how colourisation is any less authentic than the original black and white.
The black and white is an interpretation. In fact the colourisation no matter if imperfect would be a closer interpretation of the actual event.

 

I'm not going to die on this hill but colorization is not photo correction it is photo enhancement.

I'm not worldly in video but have used photoshop and similar products on almost a daily basis for the past two decades, even did a short stint selling those things to dealers.

I like the results a lot. I think they give us an idea of what things might have looked like. However, realize that the difference between what you see now and what you saw before has been artificially added with many choices and options made by the operator to arrive at the final result.

That is all.

 

The footage was dramatically repaired, enhanced, and restored, before they even added color.

Can you point me to a single Dempsey clip with better quality than the ones restored for the documentary?

The "coloring research" team made sure things were colored to their true life counterpart.

It's not blind imagination, it's over five thousand of hours of hard labor making sure the colors are precise.

I guess it's imaginative work if you believe that the 1920's were actually in black and white. There's nothing artificial about tracing a grey shirt that was actually blue, and coloring it blue. You are just finishing the cameras work. The human and the camera are both agents of life so to speak, working to recreate that moment.

 

Exactly.
Couldn't have said it better.

 

The clips were wonderful, thank you for providing them. Really like seeing Dempsey in colour with his training.

Yes, Dempsey is considerably smaller than so many of the heavies of the years after him but one could see that he was raw boned tough.

 

With all due respect to Klompton, who is a fairly knowledgeable individual, I felt he was pretty off on that topic.

For instance, he was wrong about upscaling, because, from what I understand, he didn't know about cutting edge capture cards that do the job properly, as opposed to cheap software.

This is the power of true upscaling, done by another professional firm who worked with Composite on at least one project.

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You can literally see wrinkles in the cloth in the upscale version that you can barely discern in the original SD.
Look at his face in both clips, and how much clearer it is when upscaled with expensive high end capture cards.
Are you telling me there is no increase in quality?

One is free to call the sky red.
But if nobody subscribes to that notion, who cares?

 

Booted? No. I have a life outside of boxing. But it is amusing to see fanatics convince themselves that color makes them see things they couldnt see in black and white.

 

Incredible!

 

Reznick, Ive been doing this for over 20 years. Ive forgotten more about the subject than you have. A high end capture card is not going to get any better quality capture out of a VHS tape than the original data that the VHS tape holds. And thats why your argument is so faulty. You cant take an SD source, certainly not as bad as a VHS tape, and in any way shape or form upscale it to have the image held on that tape come out as HD. Period. If you believe that, and youve said many times that you do, then you not only wrong but have a stunning lack of understanding of the subject matter for someone who pontificates on it so much. But we are talking about a guy, you, who thinks some day a computer will be able to digitize a single photo and turn it into a 15 round motion picture which accurately displays the actual fight and thats just asinine.

Furthermore, Ive already illustrated the difference in SD and HD using original film sources. Not VHS tapes or digital files with no provenance. Sorry but the knowledge you display is that of a hobbyist with no experience or training in the subject and its woefully inadequate.

 

The hours of work are hours of artifice.

Your argument is dramatically flawed.