Jack Dempsey colorized clips

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  1. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    My apologies then-- I erroneously thought you had been booted for some reason.
     
  2. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    To call something artifice, you have to establish the Smithsonian's motive for making Dempsey look better than you claim that he really was. Are they die hard Dempsey fans who want to disguise their plot by colorizing an hours worth of footage from the 20s? That's one dedicated fanboy.
     
  3. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I am not saying that their work is agendized. I am saying that it inherently strays from accuracy when the artifact is embellished. And again, it is embellishment and not restoration at this point.
     
  4. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Then how come you are just making a fuss about this now? Why don't you ever speak up about black and white film?

    The colorized version is much closer to the real thing then the black and white version. The Smithsonian has a large supply of resources to find out every single pigment that was put into this work. Your argument seems to be giving the impression that the colorized version is much more "embellished" than the black and white version when in fact it is not.

    Which colors were added that weren't there in real life Seamus?
     
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  5. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Mendoza tells me you described Harry Greb as amateurish, [The Jeffries thread].?
     
  6. reznick

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    Okay, then you are proposing this idea that the market for high end capture cards is completely fake. The designers and engineers who work on them are making fake products, and marking them up for thousands of cold hard dollars.
    And that the film experts, and studios, people who TRULY forgot more about the subject than we know, are wasting thousands of dollars on equipment that doesn't provide any functional use?
    I guess I need to get into the high end capture card business.

    Upscaling is the process of deinterlacing the images, and applying algorithmic filters to the image, adding pixels to the image, allowing it to fit a higher resolution. The result being a sharper and crisper image. This technology is built into consoles, HDTVs, and many other playback devices that need to display SD images without black bars. There's a reason that this is the industry standard, as opposed to simply stretching the image.

    The expensive upscaling capture cards that run for thousands of dollars do this job far better than the chips used in TVs.

    Again, here is an example of restorative upscaling.

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    You mind walking us through what we are seeing here?
    Because it's going to be hard to convince anyone with a good pair of eyes that the second clip doesn't show a noticeable improvement from the first.


    That's not the argument.
    The argument is whether or not it enhances the quality, not some silly semantic debate on SD vs HD.
    A term for upscaled images is "Near HD." However, some upscale jobs are so well done, that many just call it HD.


    I care not one iota about your caveman theories on the limitations of the physical world.
    One unshakable pattern to life regarding technology, is that the ones who scream impossible, are always eventually wrong.

    Comprehend the implications of the fact that computational power is increasing exponentially on a bi-yearly basis (Moores Law), and how that phenomenon will likely manifest into new specific capabilities, and then come talk to me about this subject.

    I don't care to convince you.
    Like I wouldn't care to convince a blissfully ignorant Neandrathal that the automobile is possible. There is nothing you can say to convince him that an engine is possible.

    What do you use for upscaling?
    Why are firms like LivePixel Technologies getting such tremendous quality boosts from their upscaling jobs, and you aren't?
     
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    3 anti-Dempseys
    3 anti-colorists
     
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  9. reznick

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    Whats really amusing is hearing you guys trying to convince people that one of the greatest wonders of life, seeing color, is unimportant, or even wrong in historic film. Good freaking luck.

    The overwhelming response from audiences is that they have a closer connection to non-fictional material when it is colorized. This has been analyzed and studied by professors.

    In the Web 2.0 era that we live in, there is a big colorization movement occurring in both images and film.
    The judge and jury have spoken. People love, and value colorized history.

    Colorized footage is kickass.
    It's eyeopening.
    It creates a stronger emotional bond to the material.
    It makes things feel more real.
    People love it.

    You don't have to explain the process to people.
    Just show them Dempsey in black and white, and then show him in color, and see which one they prefer!

    Leave it to some disgruntled haters in their proverbial basement to get creative on how to poo poo the party.
    You guys are on the losing side of this, and have married yourselves to an increasingly irrelevant aspect of technological limitations that is simply a remnant of our undeveloped time. I pity the obscurity, but hey, do you.
     
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  10. crixus85

    crixus85 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Many thanks, have watched this amazing footage several times. Breathes new life into images very familiar to all of us. Regardless of all the verbal punch and counter technical punch on the past 6 pages, I enjoyed the clips immensely, thank you, again.
     
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  11. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    No problem, enjoy!
     
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  12. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    3?
     
  13. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Right.
    Think of advertising.
    Marketing psychologists choose certain colors to incite specific emotions.
    Media in general is very psychologically nuanced, in the sense that tiny details make massive differences.

    Historic boxing footage suffers from not being enjoyable viewing experiences for modern audiences.
     
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