Jack Dempsey-Cowboy Lutrell 1940 Film

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  1. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Perhaps you don't know anything about Sarcasm, as you were unable to attest to it in my first post. Yes we all know Cowboy Lutrell was a wrestler and we all made fun of his transistion from a wrestler to a fighter. Har Har.
     
  2. BIG DEE

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    BIG DEE HERE= Got ya and an extra har, har, har.
     
  3. North Star

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    I really enjoyed this video.:happy Thanks for posting it.

    I had seen a brief clip years ago on TV of Jack being interviewed before this fight, but this is the first time I have seen the ring action. If one looks at this film without seeing any dates listed, it's easy at first glance to believe it's the then 45 year old Jack in his early 30s.

    Jack continued to look young and vigorous well into his old age. I heard that when he was about 75 years old he used his fistic talents to send a mugger on his way.:bbb
     
  4. marting

    marting Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I actually met Cowboy Luttrell back when he was promoting Championship Wrestling in Florida. It was a brief meeting when he came to speak to our class and I noticed he was blind in one eye.

    I asked my teacher, who moonlighted as wrestler for Luttrell how he lost his eye and he said it was in a boxing match with Dempsey. I'm not sure if it's true but I read another web account of the match that described one of his many injuries from that fight as having his eye socket broken and the eye damaged.
     
  5. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Would not shock me, Dempsey could pull some dirty tricks in that ring. Lutrell was no master of defense, so Dempsey had a easy target. No way could even a 40 something Dempsey miss.
     
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  8. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    In the scheme of things the Dempsey/Lutrell fight meant nothing. But to realize what a terror Jack Dempsey was in his heyday....The greatest ring attraction of alltime in his prime, Dempsey had the greatest lefthook for a heavyweight, was definitely the greatest and roughest infighter in heavyweight history and in a man to man combat I pick no one over the Manassa Mauler...One observation : For a ferocious swarmer Dempsey seldom missed his target..Just watch the old rusty Dempsey in 1927 connect with 7 punches flush on Gene Tunney's chin in the 7th round...Missing not one punch...But his legs were shot along with his vaunted handspeed after 3 years out of the ring banging starlets
    rather then heavyweights....Never sell the Dempsey of his prime short ! Joe Louis, Dempsey and Joe Frazier are my favorite heavyweights, combining ferocity in the ring and
    humility and class outside of the squared circle....
     
  9. SuzieQ49

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    Too bad he never proved himself against the best heavyweights of his era
     
  10. DaveK

    DaveK Vicious & Malicious Full Member

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    This is saying nothing against Dempsey, but I could whip that guy's ass. He was a defenseless, pathetic, fat *****. Any good fighter 135lbs and over could whip him. Dempsey had his way with him... The way it should have been.
     
  11. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Here we go again. Aside from a Harry Wills [though they signed to fight]
    what top viable heavyweightS [plural] did not Dempsey meet ? Harry Greb was a MW immortal and was not a heavyweight...Langford, McVey, Joe Jeanette, were close to or retired in the Dempsey reign,were pushing their forties, so WHO are the BEST HEAVYWEIGHTS Dempsey feared and did not fight ? As I posted above ONLY Harry Wills was a viable heavyweight contender of the Dempsey title era before he went to Hollywood...
    I am convinced that if Dempsey had fought and flattened the tall Harry Wills, some posters on ESB, would use another tactic to besmirch Jack Dempsey today....Funny how high Dempsey was rated as a great heavyweight by his peers, trainers, fighters, veteran boxing writers, too numerous to name, and how he is tarred and feathered today by a handful of posters mainly on ESB, EIGHTY YEARS later...???
     
  12. SuzieQ49

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    Harry Greb. In fact, Harry Greb defeated most of Dempsey's title challengers.

    Not a heavyweight? He practically cleaned out the heavyweight division, beat all the heavyweights whom dempsey defended his title against, and beat them rather easily too.

    If you don't consider Harry Greb a viable heavyweight contender, then gibbons, miske, brennan were not heavyweight contenders either. All of them lost to greb many times.
     
  13. burt bienstock

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    Harry Greb, my very FAVORITE fighter was a middleweight, and an aberration who defied weight differences, but he was not a heavyweight fighter who Dempsey did not defend his title against. During the reign of Jack Dempsey 1919-1923 there was never the outcry for a Dempsey/Greb title fight by the vast majority of boxing fans as there is TODAY mainly by some ESB posters. Like matching Joe Louis with a Tony Zale the MW champion of the late 30s, early 1940s. This is not to say that Harry Greb
    didn't warrant a money shot, on the basis of his surreal like ability to lick much bigger men. But what did Dempsey's braintrust have to gain by matching Dempsey with the MW Greb ? If Dempsey won as expected fans would protest "pick on someone your own size". If Greb somehow avoided the powerful and bigger Dempsey and won the title, there goes the title and the vast amount of money Dempsey, Kearns and Rickard would lose.
    Boxing THEN as of NOW is a business and we must not forget it...
    So to say Dempsey avoided HEAVYWEIGHTS ,aside from the truly worthy
    Harry Wills [though they signed a contract], is misleading...
     
  14. janwalshs

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    Luttrell was pretty dumb to agree to a boxing match with Dempsey to begin with. Maybe he thought it would just be a wrestling-style exhibition, more show than real blows.

    However, I don't think Dempsey deserves any credit for beating up an unschooled non-boxer. If the match had been a strict wrestling-only match with no punches allowed, the reverse would have happened and Dempsey would have succumbed within a few minutes.