Jack Dempsey-Cowboy Lutrell 1940 Film

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  1. heehoo

    heehoo TIMEXICAH! Full Member

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    lmfao
     
  2. louis54

    louis54 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    thank you for video. from what i have heard luttrell was never quite the same after this fight and was not able to wrestle very much as his eqilibrium was permantly affected. why luttrell took this bout was well, it was still the depression and money hard to find. i liked dempseys short powerful punching for a middleaged host.
     
  3. burt bienstock

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    At 48 years old and a retired restaurant owner, you can still see a smidgeon of power in those short left hooks of Dempsey...Yes Luttrell was
    not a boxer but the young fierce Manassa Mauler was something to behold in his heyday...Not for nothing was Dempsey called a "Man Killer" in those tougher more cynical times of the 1920s...
     
  4. louis54

    louis54 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    a man killer for sure !!
     
  5. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Dempsey never beat the two best heavyweights of his era
     
  6. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And my favorite heavyweight Joe Louis never tackled Lee Q Murray,Lem Franklin, Harry Bobo, Turkey Thompson, Elmer Ray etc, all black contenders who were much better than many of Louis's" bum of the month club". Louis's braintrust COULD have given anyone of these worthies a
    money match if THEY wanted...But they DIDN'T...But Jack Dempsey with his detractors only on ESB, is ony singled out because he never fought only one VIABLE HEAVYWEIGHT Harry Wills, though Dempsey and Wills SIGNED
    a contract to fight, but the promoter couldn't raise the necessary funds...
    HARRY GREB my idol was a middleweight champion, NOT a heavyweight...
    P.S. I despise having to post on this weatherbeaten thread, BUT if I let the
    Dempsey haters expound their venom against the true facts of the Dempsey legacy, I would feel guilty for not defending the Manassa Mauler, a great fighter and a beloved boxing figure until his death...:good
     
  7. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Burt,

    Please name a better heavyweight than Harry Greb during the early 1920s other than Dempsey and Wills?
     
  8. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Very probably Fred fulton who because of his great height and reach, Jess Willard also because of his weight reach and size would be very very difficult for the 5ft 8" immortal Greb to cope with...Compared P4P with Greb these two guys were second raters, but
    Greb would have needed a step ladder [illegal] to reach the chins of these mastodons..
    My point is your using the plural word rather than really only one viable heavyweight Dempsey didn't meet before he went tomcatting in Hollywood,and that of course was
    the elongated Harry Wills...Damn it, many years later when I was a youngster I was at Stillman's gym and Harry Wills, tall and dignified, was standing a few feet away from me
    watching the action. If I knew THEN what I KNOW NOW, I would have respectfully asked these questions, saving us a lot of time on this thread...But as G B Shaw stated, " it is a pity that youth is wasted on the young"...Oh well...
     
  9. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Good Answers Burt, you explained your reasoning too.

    One more question...

    Dempsey defended his title against three challengers(billy miske, bill brennan, and tommy gibbons) who all suffered multiple losses to Harry Greb. Wouldn't you agree that fighting Harry Greb instead of those 3 would have been better for dempsey's legacy?
     
  10. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    YES SQ, a resounding YES. If Dempsey's braintrust knew THEN, that 85 years LATER, on a newfangled piece of machinery called a computer, that had a website forum called ESB, who had some naysayers of Dempsey
    posters, they might have made a match between that seven year itch MW
    phenom named Harry Greb and their ward Jack Dempsey to put to rest the assertion that Dempsey feared the much lighter and weaker Harry Greb...
    But they Jack kearns and Tex Rickard were not prescient and were not concerned with some posters on ESB. Boxing THEN as of NOW is a business and in the 1920s there was not a groundswell for such a bout,
    though Greb beat some of Dempsey's opponents...What if Dempsey hooked up with the smaller Greb and gave him a merciless beating ? People
    like you would today snicker saying "why didn't Dempsey pick on someone his own size" ? If he [Dempsey] ,surprisingly lost, there goes Dempsey's, Kearn's and Rickard's mealticket and millions of future dollars...A NO WIN bout, and were you SQ ,the braintrust of Dempsey's in the 1920s, you would have not matched your mealticket with a fattened MW for sure. Cheers...
    P.S. A caveat...As I have posted several times before. I have read from oldtime contemporaries of Dempsey and Harry Greb, that Greb revealed to a boxing writer [name I have forgotten] that Greb, before or during his retirement, said ''that after 4 or 5 rounds "," Jack would kill me" !. Most
    likely would. No 165 pounder could survive a fast prime roughneck panther like Jack Dempsey. Not even the best P4P fighter who ever entered a ring
    Harry Greb IMO...
     
  11. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    There was a lot of press for a dempsey-greb fight, people wanted to see it in the 1920s