Jack Dempsey v Bernard Hopkins

I think in an era of same day weigh-in's he'd likely be very tight at the weight. He'd fit in well with the Charles/Moore/Johnson/Marciano 180lb type fighter.

 

I think 2-3 in favour of tunney is fair.

Greb appears to have taken the first two.

 

substitue "Dempsey" for "Tunney" and that statement would cause a **** storm on this forum that would likely result in a 50+ page thread of bitter dispute.

btw, i agree.

 

They are not analogous .... or similar at all. But in terms of power and strength and sheer destructiveness compared to anyone Hopkins has fought, they may as well be in the same ball park.

Hopkins seemed to be at his limit under pressure against Joe Calzaghe, and Pascal the first time. He's never faced a cruiserweight. He's never faced a particularly good or great light-heavyweight.
Hopkins would rank towards the bottom of the all-time list of 175 pound title holders.

Dempsey would easily beat Hopkins.

 

Hopkins would give Dempsey some problems early on,but would get mauled before the second half of the fight. Dempsey simply too poweful.

 

Have to admit that the weight issue some of you guys raised ihas changed my mind in favour of Demps. BHop just isnt naturally his best at LH, so Demps would take him. P4P BHop is much better though, and I certainly dont think Dempsey would crush him, he is a very strong guy who wouldnt just stupidly wade in, but Dempsey would batter him bad over the fight and BHop would in return make Dempseys face a mess.

Also era has a hand in the result maybe....a fair part of Bhop's game consists of wrestling and headbutting and faking, and I am not sure how that would go down the roaring Twenties, they might not work as well back then?

 

Hopkins can't hurt him, nor could he run all 15 rounds as Gibbons did. I always felt hand speed gave Hopkins issues. Dempsey had great hand speed. Some say Hopkins is a little dirty, and I think he would need to be in this fight. The trouble here for Hopkins is Dempsey was even better at fouling when things got rough. Best guess Dempsey via mid round KO.

 

Well Gibbons could run around, and that is not Hopkins style. Running is the reason Gibbons lasted.

I have not seen Meehan on flim. Has anyone? News reads tell us he was he was one of those cheesy types who could cover up, and fire quick slapping type of shots. Meehan could also move around, and take a good shot. These are reasons why he could last 4 rounds with Dempsey.

 

which version of Hopkins would we even dare to put in the ring with a prime Dempsey ?

To be fair, the Hopkins of the last 3 or 4 years has been quite pathetic. He's an old man and he fights like one. BUT he is the bigger version of Hopkins.


This guy doesn't stand a chance against Dempsey, let's be honest ....

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uawi5ueyiI4[/ame]

 

A better boxer than anyone Dempsey defended against bar Tunney, bigger than Gibbons at 185 in the ring in this fight too. He'd also disrupt Dempsey's assaults with headbutts, see below (from 4:00) to see how he used his head as a counter punch against Trinidad, Hopkins is the dirtiest fighter in history

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLt4cnV1X7o[/ame]

 

I've no doubt jack would win, I just can't see him stopping hopkins.

Let's say it's the best version of the lhw hopkins - from the tarver fight.

Dempsey has maybe 9 pounds maximum on hopkins. Hopkins is one of the most capable fighters in history, he utilises his average physical attributes to great effect.

Likely that hopkins doesn't take more than 1 round on the cards.

I think jack loses the first round by coming out crazy and getting countered with the battering ram straight right. The second jack scores a flash knockdown that hurts hopkins badly and then nard loses the remaining rounds in survival mode.

Jack has the advantage in speed, size and power. P4p and legacy wise I wouldn't class him above hopkins when I consider everything we have.

Hopkins is pretty much the longest reigning champion from an aggregate point of view (if we discount the frozen military years else it's louis).

Hopkins is a legend who's never been badly hurt in his whole career and he'll be up against a less skilled man who isn't going to be much bigger than him. Jack uses his physical advantages to secure a wide points win.

 

No I think jack wins a wide ud.

However it's a nature of size that these sub 200 pound hw's such as tunney, charles, walcott, dempsey, rocky, michael spinks etc can be fairly matched against modern lhw's because the in ring weight difference is negligible.

A bigger hw from the early days such as jackson, johnson etc would be considered by me to be in an overmatched fantasy fight against todays lhw.