Jack Dempsey v. Ike Ibeabuchi

Boxing has evolved from the 1920's just like MMA has from the
90's dramatically. The real question is how effective Dempsey
would be under today refereeing and modern techniques ?

 

You go fight Sam Langford 22 times and see what you have left.

 

Jim Brown was about 6-2 230 and ran a 4.7-4.8 40. Pretty average by today's standards. Bo Jackson ran 4. 40s. If you put Christian McCaffery in time machine and brought him back to 1965 he would get 2,000 yards and he has not even played a game. He is 200lbs. which was a big as some LBs from that era, an he runs a legit 4.5 which would make him one of probably the 5 fastest players in the game.

 

I believe that may have been his 100 YARDS.

 

Do you have a quote where I said that?

I played football growing up.

Aren't you the ****** that argued how Jim Brown wouldn't be as good as modern running backs who are smaller than him because he wouldn't have the same size advantage? You don't know ****.
You have the worst arguments, with terrible logic. You lack common sense, taste, vision, and intelligence.

You're a coward with a loud bark, who calls people out on forums to post footage of themselves, but then backs down like someone with no balls when it's his turn.

 

Nobody really cares about what you say.

 

So you're saying Wills was done at 32? For how many of those fights was Langford prime? For how may of them did he even have 50% eyesight?
They had 17 fights, for the first of them Langford had 116 fights on his clock and was 32 years old ,he was the following age in their series.
32x3
33x3
34x2
35x3
36x3
37x3
For 9 of those fights he was blind in one eye and had impaired vision in the other.

 

Browns teammate summing it up perfectly:
https://streamable.com/rfmzi

And here is a much bigger player eating a face full of Browns hip:
https://streamable.com/tl2a

And Jim Brown is not even looking at him! He just feels him there, and gives him a little hip, and the guy goes flying and then goes limp.

 

Dempsey ran a verified 100yds in 11.2.

 

Give him a synthetic track, modern track shoes, and he'll do even better!

 

Not to be rude Kevin, but you clearly don't know what to look for when evaluating basketball talent. I say this because if you can't "see" how he would dominate today, then you either don't know what to look for, or never played the sport in your life. Being that I've played the sport my whole life till Junior College, it seems I'm more adept at comprehending what I'm seeing. Wilt, at 7'2 between 290 and 310 still has the perfect Center body for the NBA. So this "evolution" you speak of, and get hung up on, doesn't apply to Wilt when discussing physical attributes and proportions. Then when you consider, he walked onto the track team at Kansas, never having competed in it before, and set the state record for the high jump. He also set state records in the shot put, never having done those events before. In fact, at the next Olympic games, Wilt's Shot Put distance would've placed him 6th I believe in the world. Again, never having done it and just tried it on a whim. That's athletic greatness and talent. That isn't even mentioning how the won the 200 and 400 one year in T&F at Kansas. Have you ever seen a 7'2 guy winning a 400 or Shot Put or High Jump or Long Jump? I haven't, but Wilt did, and that is the transcendent athlete I'm referring to. Just watch the video, see how fast he is, how strong he is, how high he can jump, his reflex blocking shots and defending people. It was extraordinary, yet somehow that wouldn't translate today? Do you even know basketball Kevin? Let's see

Name me the Centers that play today that would be either too big or too strong or too fast for Wilt that he wouldn't be able to compete against? I can't name a single basketball center that plays today that there would be an issue with. In fact, there aren't that many good centers around in general, the sport has regressed in this regard the last 5 years or so, so where would the problem be?

Further, you failed to address my points, and simple resorted to your "you're crazy if you think he could be so dominate today". Please address the point about the illegal defense called today that wasn't called in his time. He scored all those points by being routinely tripled teamed. You failed to address the point about handchecking being illegal today but being allowed in Wilt's time. How people could hold and beat up on him like they used to. Address those points, and explain to me where he'd have trouble leading the league in scoring and rebounds? Go look up the story told by Larry Brown about the pick up games played in the 80's at UCLA. Wilt Chamberlain, with 4 freshman at UCLA, dominated Magic Johnson, Bernard King, James Worthy, Brian Scott and AC Green. That was a Wilt Chamberlain pushing 50. It's funny, they've asked players who they best player they ever played against, do you know, some people named Wilt Chamberlain (only have played with him well past his prime in those pickup games). That speaks volumes about what I'm talking about.

You say he only beat up on smaller men, then why did he still average crazy numbers against the two other centers generally considered the best ever.. Russell and Kareem.. he seemed to have no issues against them. They weren't small. Neither was Bellamy, Neither Bob Lanier, neither way Willis Reed, neither was Artis Gilmore, Neither was Wes Unseld etc etc. People don't realize that since there weren't as many teams in the NBA, the teams that there were had the best of the best. The competition was so strong because there were so fewer sports available in the NBA. So you got the best of the best. You act like he only played against midgets. I'm starting to think you've never watched a Wilt Chamberlain tape in your life, so watch the below, you don't need to watch the entire first one, maybe just the first 6 or so minutes. Tell me you don't see a special athlete with crazy size, speed and power. It's almost unreal.

This content is protected

The next videos just talk about his strength and feats people witnessed

This content is protected

This content is protected

 

Very well said Kurupt.
And I think most people in basketball would agree with this. Wilt almost tore Shaqs arm off when he shook his hand on the court lol. It's a shame for such a good analysis to go towards such a dumb person. But thankfully there are others who can enjoy the read.

Kevin also said that boxing trainers would salivate at athletes like AI, but basketball coaches wouldn't be super impressed with a young Muhammad Ali. He's utterly clueless.

 

Again, nobody is arguing that today's athletes aren't stronger or faster than player in the 60's. The argument is, the guys you say are this and that compared to the 60's, are they dominating their own era where players have access to all the same training equipment, technology, and supplements? Most aren't, so they are automatically excluded. You define a special, once in a lifetime athlete based on what he was able to do, in his era, while being exposed to the same techniques, training and supplements as others. That is the only way to compare them. That is how you determine who a special athlete is, who was just born with that God given talent. All the guys who run a faster 40 time than Brown, how are they doing in their own era? Most aren't doing squat, and even the ones you say dominate, still aren't coming close to Brown. Why is it, that the people generally considered the best RB's ever... Smith, Payton and Sanders... didn't have the speed (during their time) that Brown had during his compared to other athletes? Their 100 yard dash times, weren't good enough for Track when the played. Jim Brown was, and why is that? Again, we go back to a special, and that is what Jim Brown was. Back then, just like now, DB's were some of the fastest on the field, yet even weighting 40 more pounds than them, sometimes 50, he was still faster. Why was that? I starting to think you know the answer by now.

 

or worse... those old handtimed results were very sketchy.