slightly/not much faster than Jim Brown: https://streamable.com/0jqpj https://streamable.com/b08wo https://streamable.com/ht4mg
Somehow missed this post. I won't say too much, since we mostly fundamentally agree that Wilt was an extraordinary athlete. So we are pretty much in agreement there. However, some alarming things jump out at my reading this post. I can't remember the figure off hand, but I believe it's less than 5% of Wilt field goals are caught on video. The vast majority of his play isn't even on video. So this whole notion of, go look at the tapes struck me as funny. Second, even when looking at the tapes as you say, you can clearly and without ambiguity see he was constantly double and triple teamed. This was a common place on the video we do have. That wouldn't be happening in today's game. I love how you talk about these 6'9 athletic monsters that will be coming from the weakside to help. What exactly are they going to do? You mentioned what a great athlete he was, and he could jump every bit as high as today's athletes, while being stronger and taller... So what exactly is this weakside help as you call it going to do besides mildly irritate him. Being as good as a passer as he was, I'd reckon teams would hesitate to send all these guys after him. Especially considering if he was playing today, he would no doubt be surrounded by three point specialist. Kareem didn't dominate Wilt? What gave you this impression? Wilt wasn't in his prime, nor was he in full fledge scoring mode like years earlier. He started to pass a lot more and focus on defense instead of scoring so much. He was on a better team, so he could do so. Wilt dominated Kareem on the boards, steals and blocks. Watch an interview by Kareem, he talks about the game where he threw one of Wilts teammates to the floor. Wilt got so angry and motivated, Kareem didn't score again. Wilt had like 6 steals in one quarter against him. Kareem said, Wilt never really gave 100% because he was afraid he'd hurt somebody, but when he got motivated, there was nothing I could do. Volleyball players around him said the same thing, when you pissed him off, it was lights out. Anyways, we mostly agree anyways, but I think you grossly underestimate how much defenses can do now what they could then. If you played basketball, you'd know how lethal handchecking could be. They is why they eliminated it. Found this cool video I hadn't seen before. Wilt looks quite a bit bigger, even compared to other giants. This content is protected
If that's what you took away from my post then I sincerely hope you'll consider taking a logic or critical reading course before you graduate (this online one is free: https://lagunita.stanford.edu/courses/Philosophy/LPL-SP/SelfPaced/about )
I made a claim that Jim Brown ran a 5.72 40 at the age of 50 and I am being argued against that he would be faster at the age of 22. Wtf.
Not a single person in this forum disagrees that he was faster at age 22. https://lagunita.stanford.edu/courses/Philosophy/LPL-SP/SelfPaced/about
Of course its ridiculously slow by NFL standards. Point to the post where I said it wasn't. It depends what you mean by a lot of folks and what their backgrounds are. I could time the first person on the street in a 40 yd dash and I can almost guarantee that it won't be much better if even close at all.
Because your specific claim (that older Brown's 5.76 40 pretty much proves he would be as faster or faster than most current backs in his prime) was more extreme than that, and completely baseless. Are you really this dense?
It is extreme to say that a phenomenal athlete who is one of the greatest NFL players of all time would have an above average 40 time? No it is not.
So there is no reason? Not a single one? How about the fact that he was extremely dominant in his own era? That is at least ONE reason to THINK he would be NEARLY as dominant in today's NFL.
I'll just do what you do. Live in my mother's basement and collect disability for being mentally incompetent.
I was referring to Franco Harris' 5.00+ time as he ha just played for the Hawks. That's freakishly slow.
It is but Franco Harris was never a true breakaway runner even in his prime. He was a big man who ran between the tackles and had enough agility, vision and just enough speed to go outside once in awhile. My memory of his time with the Seahawks was a once good player hanging on to break a record. Much like a fighter who goes on too long
Of Course. I ran a 40 in the high 5's in high school my freshman year as part of a weight lifting class. It was incredibly slow and I had never ran a 40 in my life, just sat around playing video games.
