Jack Dempsey v. Ike Ibeabuchi

You stated my argument precisely..

They didn't have a CHANCE at beating Jack Dempsey....

 

Just like certain guys from the 90s don't have a CHANCE at beating Jack Dempsey.

Harry Wills was pretty much the only black guy who was good enough to be a title challenger at the time. You said that Dempsey's era sucked because of the color line which means without it it wouldn't have sucked as much. According to you. But in reality Dempsey would have lost to the same guy with or without the color line. He could fight all the black fighters he wanted to and he wouldn't have lost.

Being black doesn't make or break an era. Racist.

 

Dempsey's punches would resemble a fly blatting against a windowpane on Ike's thick dome.

Once again this is a complete mismatch.

Pit Dempsey against fighters his own size, other light heavyweights, not 240lbs roid monsters. What's so hard about that?

 

How in the f*ck do you know? How many fighters were denied opportunities to even get to prospect range? How many defenses could he have pulled off in the three years he sat on his ass and got blown by starlets?

You, sir, are a f*cking moron.

 

Then why isn't your heart bleeding for all the Italian and Jewish fighters who couldn't get the right fights because they weren't Irish?

Dempsey sat on his ass for 3 years because that was boxing back then. He was the champ and had nowhere else to go. He was a national celebrity, you probably don't understand it because you won't look at history through a perspective lens.

You are a double standard racist. You're all cry baby for the black guy but when any other minority (or anyone else for that matter) gets shat on you tell 'em to **** off.

 

Because those fights wouldn't even be competitive. Dempsey crushed super heavies in real life deal with it.

 

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My premise that you are a moron is only further supported by posts like this.

 

237 vs 185 and similar handspeed... not long.

 

It means a lot less in a diluted era. Eddie machen was a contender for ten years when there was just one champ.

 

Hand speed is not similar. Gloves much smaller. Faster guy lands first and more often. Evens things up a whole lot.

 

Linear has less sway than being universally regarded as the worlds best. Take bald Foreman jimmy Braddock or Leon Spinks. Those champs were not regarded the worlds best, but it still makes there claim worth more than ludicrously formulated belt holders who never beat the worlds best or top guy.

So far as the colour line goes, I suggest Jack Johnson was regarded as the worlds best before he fought Burns. I don't think the same is true of Wills regarding Jack Dempsey. They should have fought but nobody actually thinks or thought Wills could possibly win. He could not convincingly beat Firpo. Therefore it cannot diminish the linear claim to the level of a john Ruiz/chris Byrd level before either was a decent fighter.

 

The color line was immoral and dumb.

But Dempsey was the man of the era, and would've wiped the floor with Wills. To insinuate that Dempsey was hiding from a Louis/Ali type fighter is wrong.

If you want to give him an asterisk for the color line, fine. But let's not pretend he was running away from a beating.