Jack Dempsey v. Ike Ibeabuchi

Gobblegegook

 

I think it depends on the fighter.
Whether he can effectively use his extra weight, or whether he can carry weight without it impeding his effectiveness, it's particular to the individual.

 

The Browns wouldn't, but Jim Brown would dominate in any era

 

He's too small...
I mean big!
I mean...small...

 

Ike for me here... He's just all wrong for Dempsey imo. Dempsey would come in guns blazing and run into a brick wall. Ike is bigger, stronger, hits like a mule, can box when needed and has a much better chin than Dempsey. Sure Dempsey might be able to pull off the trick and beat on a downed foe as they rise (if allowed), but I doubt it would get to that point.

But let me guess, Dago is going on about how Dempsey was one of the best counter punchers we've eve seen, who can't be hurt, who has great defense and "kills" anything he hits? Well sure, that Dempsey might win if he actually existed in that form

 

I never said he can't be hurt. He was one of the best punchers at heavyweight of all time, if you want to deny that go ahead but you are dead wrong. Dempsey was a fantastic counter puncher considering his entire style was based around it. Boxing History 101, Dempsey pressured fighters into throwing a punch then slipped and countered. Hence the bob and weave tactic.

Ike couldn't knock a one dimensional Tua out even though he landed 332 punches. He was pretty inaccurate too. How does size come into this? The only thing that Ike provides is a bigger target in that regard. Dempsey could take Ike's punches and come back with more. Ike never had one dominating performance over a champion. Against top rated guys he has a 50% knockout rate. That isn't a big puncher.

Dempsey only came out guns blazing against 1 fighter. That was Luis Firpo and that tactic worked. You can't say that Dempsey would come out guns blazing against Ike and get knocked out because every time Dempsey did that he won by KO.

With Ibeabuchi's inaccuracy and Dempsey's hard hitting counter punching style that spells disaster for the inexperienced prospect.

 

And Liston would've wiped the floor with Clay, and Baer with Braddock, and Ali with Spinks, and Holmes with Spinks, and Tyson with Douglas....

 

When discussing fantasy match ups it is only logical to go with the most likely solution. If you are aiming for accuracy that is. Those fights are outliers.

Not every underdog wins. You are really showing your bias against Dempsey with every post you make at this point.

 

I have no bias against Dempsey. I have more books on my shelf about Dempsey than any other person, athlete, musician or writer. But the record seems pretty evident regarding the quality of his title reign and the (then)unique fabrication of his career. And very little, if any of this, do I put on Dempsey but rather his times and his promotion and management.

Here we are not really discussing a fantasy match up across eras but a matchup that should have taken place, a match where the opponent had over deserved a shot at the title. It's not about odds of an outcome; it's about having earned the opportunity to beat those odds. I am sorry if that not so subtle distinction escapes you.

 

Strawman argument.

All you talked about was the injustice that happened to Harry Wills. The fact of the matter is Dempsey would have had a 99% chance of knocking Wills out. It wouldn't have been close. If you want to make a thread honoring Harry Wills then go ahead. You said yourself what happened had nothing to do with Dempsey so it makes absolutely no sense why you are bringing it up in a thread about Dempsey and Ibeabuchi other than to try and find an exit out of a shitty position you took in a side argument.

 

Where do you dig up this 99% bullsh*t? You are just grabbing numbers out of your bung and preaching them like gospel.

99% should have been applied to the hapless Carpentier or Firpo or even the Gibbons who lost his elimination bout to a middleweight. That was 99%. Wills represented the best heavyweight Dempsey ever would have beaten, and the best by quite ways. Try to argue that and we will see the likes of your "Dempsey as counter-puncher" and "Brennan and Gibbons ran" arguments that have so amused the masses over the past days.

 

By watching the ****ing fights. Dempsey would have MURDERED this dude. Btw its called exaggeration you bumbling dumb f*ck.

 

I agree, we can't give Dempsey a win over Wills, without him even lacing the gloves up.

 

Hahaha... Please list the fights of prime Wills that you have watched.

You incriminate yourself with every new post.