Jack Dempsey v Max Schmeling, Ezzard Charles, Jersey Joe Walcott, Micheal Spinks

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  1. Holmes' Jab

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    :D
     
  2. Holmes' Jab

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    You wouldnt give him a decent shout (at least) then? Let's be fair here: Schmeling is a better fighter than almost anybody Dempsey ever fought.
     
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  3. PowerPuncher

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    I'd say hes better than Tunney/Sharkey, dempseys best 2, at least on par, maybe better
     
  4. Bummy Davis

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    Schmeling was agood fighter but I dont see him standing up to a prime Jack's firepower. Spinks was not strong enough (see Tyson) Dempsey would get to him...Walcott and Charles.....Dempsey never faced a slickster of that magnatude...I see Walcott giving Jack fits but Demsey could level you with one punch...I can see J.J. beating him and having him down but I can also see a Dempsey stop depending on how relentless he is...Great fight..Charles would be another hell ride...Ezz could box punch fight in the pocket and out...but Jack had speed and power...I would not be suprised to see Ezz win but Dempsey could hit and he punched to weird places like the heart...they could beat him if they fought the perfect fight
     
  5. PowerPuncher

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    Schmelling fought all the best fighters, Tunney avoided some of the toughest fighters at HW. Schmelling fought far more HWs and Tunney took a long time to step up. Schmelling has the best single win between the 2
     
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  6. Ezzard

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    I love Charles and Walcott and in a series of 3 they'd win one but both could be KO'd and Dempsey had a left hook better than even Walcott's. Dempsey also had speed and could put the punches together. They'd be absolutely great match ups.

    Dempsey was a puncher like Louis and Tyson who put together great speed and power, with fantastic technique. I think he'd beat Spinks who is not a great HW IMO... Old Holmes had Spinks reeling but couldn't finish him off. I like Spinks as a fighter but his best asset was his mobility against much bigger lumbering men, he doesn't have that advantage in this match up.

    I can see that Schmeling has a chance. Dempsey needs to do enough damage early on to keep the fight in his favour.
     
  7. janitor

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    Yes just like Firpo was.
     
  8. SuzieQ49

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    I think Jack Dempsey plows through schmeling and spinx early and decisevly. I think Walcott gives jack Dempsey absolute hell, I make this fight a 50/50. Charles boxing skills and handspeed would give dempsey alot of trouble but I see dempsey getting to charles somewhere during the fight down on the cards.
     
  9. McGrain

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    I think this is an excellent post, though I personally believe that Spinks would find Dempsey even harder to tag than Tyson, and the counters almost as lethal.
     
  10. McGrain

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    OK; I think you understnad Schmeling. In my opinion you misunderstand Dempsey. Dempsey was only vulnerable when he over-reached, which requires mobility, or when he was in against a puncher who was able to take advantage of the tiny over-reaches when he scored - given his violence as a puncher, that would be a very special fighter indeed. Is that Schmeling?
     
  11. McGrain

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    ...yeah.
     
  12. McGrain

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    I agree with this post.
     
  13. Steve Fero

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    The talent level of modern fighters has increased over the years for a number of reasons. The version of Michael Spinks that beat Holmes could beat any of those other guys. I know people don’t understand this but Spinks would knock out Dempsey. Too fast and good and actually taller and heavier as well.
     
  14. Melankomas

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  15. Devon

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    Only one he beats is Max Schmeling IMO, Charles beats him, constantly timing him when he lunges in, with check left hooks, getting Dempsey to commit by probing and jabbing and hooking off of that jab when Dempsey commits, Charles had some of the best balance in the game, Dempsey, not so much, Charles would be in the position to land and Dempsey wouldn’t. He’d counter with uppercuts when Dempsey misses, he’d win on points relatively comfortably.
    Walcott (on his best day) makes Dempsey look silly, also having success with that check left hook, landing counters, maybe not as many combinations as Charles, but he’d hardly get hit. I think Dempsey has more of a chance against Walcott, because, while Walcott may not have got hit as much overall, he was vulnerable to being taken out with one punch, with the hands down etc. Walcott often looked for that slip to the right then counter with his right, but if an opponent read it and feinted and threw their own right whilst slipping to their left, they could time Walcott as Marciano did, so that’s something Dempsey should look for.