Jack Dempsey .Vs. Billy Conn

Louis said drying out to get under 200lbs hurt his performance ,be that as it may he was never very convincing against fast elusive boxers,but then what punchers are?

 

Right. Joe himself made a point of admitting that he made a mistake in listening to the reporters who convinced him to come in light for speed. Blackburn was correct in asserting that Louis wouldn't be strong under 200 pounds. Still, Pastor and Walcott gave Joe headaches a decade apart. If the light weight Louis came in at affected him in any outwardly significant way, it compromised his ability to stand up to a solid shot somewhat. Joe was underweight and weakened for the loss to Schmeling, and may not have been staggered by Conn's hook if he had come in at the stronger weight Blackburn was imploring him to be at. Of course if Louis hadn't been affected by Conn's hook the way he was, then Billy may well have opted to box for a decision win.

One of Joe's trainers claimed that the real reason Conn went toe to toe with Louis late was because Joe had taken Billy's legs away with his body attack. I don't entirely buy that, but Conn would have difficulty withstanding Jack's body assault for an extended period, regardless of how sturdy Billy's chin was. Dempsey put down the rugged Bill Brennan for ten seconds with late round bodyshots, and Brennan was considerably bigger than Conn. Others have already pointed out the fact of Jack's footspeed. Dempsey would not have waited patiently for Billy to make a mistake in coming to him, but instead force the action with his footspeed, aggression and power. Conn does make it out of the early rounds, but Jack's ring trembling power downstairs takes away his legs too effectively for Billy to make it to the final bell.

 

"Louis was not good at hitting moving targets."

Compared to whom. He caught up to all of them sooner or later.

 

He did a fairly textbook number on Bob Pastor in the rematch to be fair.

I see a mixed picture with slick boxers where Louis is concerned.

 

bob pastor was a good fighter. He was a rare white fighter who fought and defeated many of the avoided black heavweight contenders of the 1940s.

 

I don't know if he was that rare--Abe Simon, Lee Savold, Melio Bettina, Pat Valentino, and Joey Maxim, to name a few, frequently fought top black heavyweights.

 

Louis wanted to come in under 200 so it wouldnt look as though he was beating up a lighter man ,which he did.Conns weight was announced as 174 it was actually 169.Louis just got in under the 200lbs at 1991/2.

 

Its interesting that Pastor scaled only 174 in the first Louis fight ,Joe was 203 1/4 Pastor backpedalled all night to last the distance.

 

The referee scored the first fight 8 rounds to 1 with 1 even in the first louis pastor fight according to joe louis's book

 

Conn would brawl with Louis, get the better of the exchange, back off, and repeat. I dont think Conn would get away with it vs Dempsey.

Conn didnt do a Ali Liston on Louis. He out fought and out brawl Louis in that fight before the 13th round.

 

In fairness, no one on film with Dempsey has anything like the left that Conn had and only Tunney moved about as well. Off the film of the Brennan fight, Dempsey certainly could lose this one. Brennan was heavier and I assume stronger than Conn but otherwise brought nothing like the same talent to the table. His jab still gave Dempsey a great deal of trouble. Tunney was more disciplined, a bit bigger and stronger, and had better movement, but was not nearly as quick with his combinations.
I think a big issue would be how well Dempsey can continue to put on the pressure in the later rounds. Louis was a much more proven distance fighter, with several stoppages past the 10th round. Dempsey had good stamina, but perhaps not quite in the same league as Joe.

 

But the thing was, people say Conn started brawling with Louis in round 13, but seem to forget Conn was doing about the same thing for the last 12 rounds.

Had he stay away ete. But the fight did not follow NOTHING like Dempsey Tunney or Ali Liston. Conn was relly slugging it out with Louis, and getting the BETTER of the exchanges. Than Conn would back off, circle Louis a bit, and go back at the attack.
This was no spring chasing type of fight, Conn was relly going after Louis in thsos exchanges. No on the toes, backing off, just getting the better of Louis, than backing off before Louis could fire back.

 

Conn lacks one that Brennan had, though; power. Brennan was a very powerful puncher, and he was significantly heavier than Conn.

 

even though conn did so well againt louis and i rate louis better h2h and all time i think it was just a style problem. dempseys chasing down would take away conns boxing and he would stop him mid fight or so

 

Name a top fighter that Brennan ever knocked out. Conn stopped Pastor and Barlund and that is more impressive than anything Brennan accomplished.