Jack dempsey vs david haye

The same swell that James Toney rode in eating his way into heavyweight contention in the modern era?

 

Genuine 50/550

 

Blame the glenfidditch (sp)

 

The size of Wlad in terms of height maybe, buts its hard to see anyone in terms of the sheer athletic muscular physique and boxing discpline and technique of Wlad though.

 

80 vs 20 in favour of dempsey

 

The premier big men Dempsey fought (old ring rusted Jess Willard,Fred Fulton and old Carl Morris) were non-athletic boorish lugs who were vastly inferior to Wlad in terms of ...well everything. Haye would of destroyed those jokes, Wlad would have destroyed Dempsey and Haye would have caught Dempsey and put him to sleep.

 

Haye has genuine power and could hurt Dempsey.
The problem I have with Haye is the Klitschko fight; he was unwilling to pay the price to get close enough to hit and hurt Vlad. He was not the first to be outreached in a fight. Imagine Frazier or Louis staying out of range against Ali or Buddy Baer!

I can see both fighters going down, but Dempsey would hang tough while Haye would wear down. Dempsey in 7 for me.

 

Whatever the shortcomings of the big men Dempsey beat, they were much better than those that Haye beat in terms of their credentials, and beaten much more emphatically.

At some point you are going to have to decide whether size matters to you or not.

If it is only relevant in some cases, then you cannot use it as an unqualified argument for the opposition of modern fighters, and you have to acknowledge that the big men Haye fought were not the best or brightest available.

If it is an unqualified measure of a fighters opposition, as you often imply when the size argument is in your favour, then you cannot exactly deny Dempsey credit for dominating the best super heavyweights of his day.

When somebody wields that size argument in favour of modern fighters, but looks for a get out clause in the few cases where if favours an old timer, you are dealing with a hypocrite, and it is time to call bu11**** on them.

 

Great post J !.Dempsey's modern detractors [mostly on ESB] will as you
post find any excuse to demean him to buttress their case. When you cite
that he did manhandle big boys such as Willard, Firpo, Fred Fulton, Carl
Morris, ect , why then they disparage those big men by saying they were
all inferior stiffs, who couldn't fight a lick, and then invariably bring up the
name Harry Wills as the topper to show that Jack Dempsey ,who was so highly thought of by literally thousands of boxing fighters and writers of
his time and after, was just an inferior product of hype of his time...
These holier than thou minds after all know better than a Sam Langford,
Mickey Walker, Gene Tunney, Jack Sharkey, Max Schmeling ,who by the way sparred with Dempsey in Germany several times when Dempsey was visiting Germany,and in his autobiography claimed Dempsey was in a special category over all heavyweights he had seen, and der Max saw
most all champions in his long life...Were all these men and the polls from the past all wrong, that Jack Dempsey was one great heavyweight in his prime, before his going Hollywood, and somehow some modern posters
disregard the past, because they almost a century later know BEST ?...
I think not....cheers J.:hi:

 

Dempsey was knocked out by smaller men than Haye.

 

thinking about it outside the ring, they are very similar, both milk the media for everything they are worth whilst fighting virtually no one and living on past laurels.

 

Haye, always talks a good fight. Dempsey, will let his fists do the talking. Dempsey, and its an early night as Haye goes to sleep.