Jack Dempsey vs Ezzard Charles! (1920s Gloves rule-set)

Journeyman92 · Nov 5, 2021

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Basically changing the orientation of the jab into a backhand. There's loads of ways to do it, but the end goal is the same. The end goal is always to turn into the fighters regular lead hand like it's a cross. Then from there the situational uses are varied, and normally depend on how you set up the shot in the first place.

Pacquiao did it as a part of a combination while coming forward, a 1-2-1. It's hard to land the lead hook from most positions as a southpaws because the shoulder gets in the way. Pacquiao got around the issues by following through the with the cross, letting the momentum of him coming forward build, and used the position of left shoulder being forward build the snap on his right hand. In a position where he couldn't put his hips into it, he used his shoulders. Less rotation, but still builds power. He dropped Algeri with it, and if I remember right, Morales too in their third fight. It's a situational punch, but as a southpaw vs taller opponents, it was a big part of his arsenal. Especially when he needed to both close the distance and get around their shoulder with his right. Catching them unawares didn't hurt. He also dropped Thurman with it by switchinh to head and body.

However, Duran (and GGG, for example) did this differently. He didn't simply allow momentum to carry him forward and capitalise, he switched stance as he threw a one-two. This, bringing his rear leg forward, turned the hand he'd jabbed with into his cross more literally. He did this great against southpaws, specifically Leoncio Ortiz, and it had the benefit of letting him wrap his arm around their midriff and getting inside. It also took Ortiz by surprise and beat him to the punch.

Laguna literally just swapped the one and the two around. He used the cross to rotate his hips do he'd have power in the jab. Most Panamanians in that style of fighting did so. Similar to Pacquiao, but they'd do it all the time. It might not build as much as power, but it's also a much lighter commitment.
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Yeah you get it. I had to read it again with these tired eyes and was about to dumb it down but it was me who is in dire need of such a thing that and a big cup of Joe.

Journeyman92 · Nov 5, 2021

BitPlayerVesti said: ↑

I disagree about the footspeed. Prime Dempsey had very fast feet
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Agreed he looked very twitchy against Big Bill Tate.

Tonto62 · Nov 6, 2021

Journeyman92 said: ↑

Agreed he looked very twitchy against Big Bill Tate.
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[url]Jack Dempsey Sparring With Big Bill Tate In Full Color - YouTube[/url]

Stiches Yarn · Nov 6, 2021

Dempsey had blazing speed, surprising power, real KO power with his left hook and a very strong chin

But i think he simply was not the complete fighter Charles was - and Charles could IMO weather an assault from the manassa mauler with slipping and ducking to avoid the worst, though i doubt the TOUGH Jack would grow disheartened if something like that ever happened.
In the modern rule-set, i think Charles by a close decision, and Maybe Dempsey when it comes to the 1920's gloves rule-set.
But this would be a war!

richdanahuff · Nov 6, 2021

Journeyman92 said: ↑

What do you mean?
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The way they do it is similar to Dempsey with the switch step punch technique GGG does it Loma and Usyk do it as well

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Jack Dempsey vs Ezzard Charles! (1920s Gloves rule-set)

How does this play out?

Ezzard takes it. (UD)

JD overwhelms him for a brutal KO!

Jack scores a UD

THE COBRA STRIKES! (KO)

Draw

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Jack Dempsey vs Ezzard Charles! (1920s Gloves rule-set)

How does this play out?

Ezzard takes it. (UD)

JD overwhelms him for a brutal KO!

Jack scores a UD

THE COBRA STRIKES! (KO)

Draw

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