jack dempsey vs joe louis

This came from an interview after Teddy Hayes had been fired ,hardly an objective opinion.Gibbons didnt cuff Dempsey around, he got a pretty good shellacking which he himself admitted to.

.Teddy Hayes had no part in the selection of Dempsey's opponents.

How could Louis be stalking Dempsey and backing away at the same time?

Louis was a front foot fighter he either pursued you ,or met you ring centre, he never backed away until he was the relic that fought Marciano.

Most of Louis's victims were only too aware of the thunder he carried in his gloves and fought accordingly ,they never tried to make him do anything he didn't want to.
Dempsey would never have allowed Louis to dictate terms he would be all over him like a rash.

Lous hated to be crowded,against Dempsey that is a racing certainty.

Ray Arcel who saw all Dempsey's title fights and was in the opposite corner in more of Louis's defences than any other corner man said Dempsey would have beat Louis.

I think Dempsey overwhelms Louis inside 3 rounds,if he could survive the early onslaught his chances increase dramatically, but my £££ would be on the Mauler.

 

I liked the way both Jack and Joe answered this question on who would win, both of them started by saying, Well, he always kept his hands a little low,,,,,

 

Louis seemingly sometimes carried white fighters early, hence the slow start. There was tons of racism around. Against a real threat & without that climate, I gotta pick the more skilled & accomplished fighter, Louis. True he did not like being crowded, but I think Marciano had a better chance, since I do not think anyone would (or did) get Louis out early. Even in his one lapse vs. Schmelling & when a shell against Rocky.

Dempsey would likely fade after not too many rounds.

 

Louis

 

I don't believe Louis ever carried a fighter.

Slow of foot and hand, plodding Galento had him down twice from left hooks, Dempsey's best punch.
Buddy Baer knocked him down with a left hook. Firpo had Jack out the ring with his right ,Louis's best punch.
But Galento lacked the speed of both hand and foot to take advantage of the situation.
Dempsey in identical circumstances would be all over Louis. .

Schmeling wasn't a swarmer he was a methodical counterpuncher who drew Louis's left lead and crossed his right over it.

Max never pressured Louis as Dempsey would have.
Godoy, who was light years below Dempsey in class , speed, and power baffled him with his crouch first time around.

Dempsey did not fade against Gibbons, going a fast 15rds
,and Jack had been out of the ring for a year.

Dempsey stands more chance of weathering Louis's best shot than vice versa,imo.

Louis has to be favoured if the fight goes into the later rounds because of his superior boxing skills but I don't think it would, I think he gets stopped early.

Jack Sharkey fought both men he was always evasive when pressed as to the winner.but he did say in a phone box war Dempsey would win.

Well Dempsey would turn it into just at type of fight,imo and Louis did not possess the footwork to glide away from punches if he got tagged as an Ali would have done.
Dempsey tags him and doesn't let him get away. Great fight while it lasts ,one of my 5 ATG fantasy fights.

 

I've always picked Dempsey in this bout.

 

Dempsey is an underated defensive fighter.

He can slip as well as Frazier and Tyson and he hit harder than both of them. He is just as aggressive as Pryor was when the situation called for it and had a great chin and stamina. He was a perfect wrecking machine. But Joe Louis...was a perfect puncher. Timing and speed were his key. He did not struggle against many styles. He had his problems with movers. Dempsey can move and will need to to befuddle Louis and crack him with hard shots. The problem is that Jack fights out of a semi-crouch where as Joe is stand up and faster with the jab and right hand for distance. Jack will be the one taking the risk to get near to Joe and Joe will be waiting. Jack is rough and tough so there will be no early KO's. Louis can be buzzed and dropped but not really taken out. He looked real good in there for stretches with Maricano. If he were younger he would have been able to put more hurt on him and make it interesting.


My pick is Louis. I think that after rounds of fast action Louis will have found the flaws in Jacks game, a little too wide on the hook perhaps, and will start to open that hole until Jack is forced to fight another than he is comfortable with. Once that sets in around the 12th, I think that Louis starts looking for the kill and gets it in the 13th. Dempsey has a mountain to get over with the main style he uses against a superior boxer and puncher. It will show after a while.

 

Without a doubt this has to be the greatest fantasy bout ever. Jack Dempsey and
Joe Louis are my two favorite heavyweights and I mull the question who would have won
between these two titanic punchers. Dempsey today on this site, is given too little credit as a great fighter. Why I don't know ?
Probably because of the Gene Tunney bout when after being out of the ring for three years, living the life of La Dolce Vita in Hollywood, and sans ONE tuneup bout, Dempsey
foolishly took on a razor sharp Gene Tunney and we know the result...But in the second
bout with Tunney, the rusty Dempsey, slow afoot did catch up to Tunney in the 7th round
and hit Tunney with a beautiful 7 punch barrage, so well timed and fast it looks fast even in slow motion..But for the infamous "long count" Dempsey, rusty and well past his peak,
would have regained his title in 1927.. So these two bouts with Tunney is what the
average boxing fan base their opinions on Dempsey's true value as a great fighter.
Louis on the other hand, was the most "perfect" puncher boxing ever spawned. As a
young boy growing up I recall he was considered unbeatable except for the first
Max Schmeling bout when Schmeling's potent right hand found it's mark on Louis's
chin time and again. But in the second bout Louis of course ko'd the older Schmeling
and enhanced his great reputation. So who would win between the peak Dempsey and Louis were they have clashed ? Because of styles and the fact that Dempsey knowing of
Louis's great punching combinations would make this and in close bout where the rough
and tough Dempsey excelled and was the greatest infighter ever, would hurt and
most likely ko Joe Louis...But I wouldn't bet on this fight...

 

just for fun this of course, but to tie in with all of the above, i recently uploaded murray wornoners fantasy radio broadcast of dempsey v louis.

regardless of what you think of the result, this just has to be heard....trust me brothers...this was amazingly well produced...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkduI6b5Q64

 

Good posting as always Burt. I see the bout shaping up and ending this way also. Jack as you said was a great infighter and his hands were like two bricks. He would have to survive being shaken and stunned by Joe's two fisted combo's as he feinted his way inside but I think he would and eventually Joe's guard would lower enough to give Dempsey the opening he needed.

 

I do not know if Dempsey could slip as well as Frazier & Tyson. But I am pretrty positive he did not hit harder than Frazier, certainly not as hard as Tyson. He himself said Martciano hit harder, & (like Frazier) he needed to bludgeon guys for a while to get them out of there.

McVey you have many excellent analysis, but I do believe Louis carried white fighters due to the racial atmosphere then. Ali sometimes carried guys due to wanting to inflict punishment (Patterson, Terrell, due to the name controversy) & did not have the killer instinct of others.

Godoy was pretty good w/a very tricky style, he had never been KOed nor I believe off his feet in tons of fights before Louis did it.

I think Dempsey's style depends more on power & overwhelming you, & especially adding in he was pretty lean/more like a LHW bulk for today, he would not match up as well against large (good) modern fighers as Louis.

 

...And from Galento's Wikipedia page, here is an example of Louis carrying a fighter.
But for a personal reeason.
Though he said Galento hit too hard after he was floored, & stopped carrying him then.

He also predicted that he would "moida da bum", and would telephone Louis to personally inform him that he was a bum and that Galento would "moida him" -- this colorful version of early tubthumping, seems in retrospect, to be Galento's standard manner of presentation (LOOK Magazine, March 14, 1939; Vol. 3, No. 6).[1] To show that he was serious and properly prepared for the Louis fight, Galento stated that he had not taken alcohol for two days before the bout.

The two fought in Yankee Stadium in New York. The short, balding Galento stunned the crowd, and his opponent, by staggering and hurting Louis with a powerful left hook in the first round. In the second round, Louis began hitting Galento with vicious combinations, opened a cut in Galento's mouth and floored the challenger with a powerful left hook that actually lifted Galento off his feet. This was the first time Galento had ever been knocked down in his professional career. In the third round, Louis was again hitting Galento with combinations when Galento caught him with a wild left hook. This time Louis went down. Louis, however, got up quickly, but took no chances for the remainder of the round. The fourth round was brutal for Galento, who really had no defense and was wide open for Louis' assault. Louis hit him with murderous combinations which forced the referee to finally stop the bout. After the fight, Galento blamed his corner for the loss. He contended that his trainers convinced him to change his style, and fight cleanly. Galento always regretted that he did not fight "his" fight and foul Louis.

Joe Louis and Tony Galento appeared together on The Way It Was, a sports nostalgia program (PBS), on January 29, 1976. The episode was lively, due almost exclusively to Galento's still-direct and colorful style of engagement. Louis showed a surprising side of himself when, after fending off a question by veteran fight commentator Don Dunphy, re: any ill feeling vs. Max Schmeling (Louis defending that he and Schmeling had not truly been adversaries but indeed "good friends"), he then pointed at Galento and stated, "But that little fellow...he really got me mad. All those mean things he said about me while training for our fight. He got me mad, all right." Louis furthered this statement by revealing that his anger by fight time was such that he had decided to "carry" Galento, i.e. to drag the fight out in order to "punish him for those nasty things". After suffering the knockdown, however, Louis changed his mind: "[Galento] hit too hard. So I knocked him out as quickly as I could."[2]

 

Sir, you are right saying that "Louis carried white fighters". They carried
white fighters to the dressing room where doctors took care of them..
What silliness on your part...Louis almost decapitated his opponents and
you in your wisdom utter such nonsense...atsch