Jack Dempsey vs Mike Tyson..with a twist

I see what you mean. Tyson did look a bit ragged during the first Bruno fight.

 

and? dempsey weighed 190 and he did beat guys(not as good) but bigger and stronger than tyson

i am sure that firpo or willard were harder punchers and much stronger than buster douglas and holyfield, and they both stoped tyson.

firpo did put dempsey in the steps...(no way ruddock, bruno or smith might do it) and he knocked willard out and he had 31(26ko) do you need more proofs?

tyson fought the best champions (holyfield and lewis) and he lost so it say nothing in favour of tyson.i can say that he avoided foreman, he never faced bowe(who did beat a better version of holyfield) or morrison(who fought much better against PRIME lewis and who destroyed ruddock). anyway we are talking about chin...

 

exactly

 

That's not an accurate representation of Tyson's chin which was one of the most tested chin's of all the Heavyweight Champions.

He was stopped 4 times against;

Douglas
Holyfield
Lewis
D. Williams

Film shows that he was coherent in the Lewis & Williams fight. But fatigue in the Lewis fight where he basically had nothing left and a torn meniscus in the Williams fight prevented him from going on.

Against Douglas and Holyfield, he took tremendous amounts of punishment. There are few fighters that could have taken that kind of punishment and kept standing. Name a HW Champion who took as much punishment as Tyson did against Douglas and saw the final bell.

And even if you think that Evander and Douglas couldn't hit has hard as Firpo you have to acknowledge that neither Evander nor Douglas could hit as hard Ruddock, Bruno or Bonecrusher.

Lewis has been KO'd twice, by McCall and Rahman. But Vitaly, Tyson, Tua, Bruno, Ruddock, Morrison couldn't stop him even though they are bigger punchers.

Assessing a chin is trickier than just looking at a win loss record.

 

tyson was stopped 5 times, mcbride did stop him too. and honestly holyfield would have stopped him also in the rematch, simply tyson was frustrated.

foreman against ron lyle for example and he did beat lyle by ko.(and george was depressed just like tyson was bad mentally when he faced douglas.

of course, the hitting power is not the only factor in the boxing.

so the same way might say that dempsey might be knocked out by a weaker puncher but he might take the shots from great punchers. joe frazier,cooney,lyle,morrison,cooper,norton,briggs could not hurt foreman but ali knocked him out. we never will know, pure speculation. the facts are, dempsey was stopped 1 time, and tyson 5.

 

Dempsey when dragged into a fight got awfully wild and easy to hit, a prime or close to prime Tyson would knock him out because of this trait. I would a peak Dempsey a slight favourite over a post prison Tyson however, as others have said, although Dempsey fought many larger fighters none were in the class of Tyson who weighed a ripped 218 pound at his best. You just can't ignore a two stone weight advantage when that man also has the advantages in speed and power.

 

larger,bigger and heavier, firpo was not exactly weak compared with tyson, and willard was not as ripped as tyson but he was much bigger and heavier, he was not fat, i would say that he was stronger than tyson, of course tyson had the better pack

 

The savage Jack Dempsey of the Willard fight in Toledo on July 4,1919 beats any version of Mike Tyson....Jack in his prime was a killer...not a thug from NYC...

 

why count out inactivity as a factor?


Especially when people like Robinson would fight Lamotta weeks apart from other matches. WEEKS. Sometimes not even that long. Its like Ali and Frazier having 5 of their own separate matches in two months leading to their meeting in MSG.