Jack Dempsey vs Muhammad Ali

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  1. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    Ali by stoppage in about 8 rounds.
     
  2. freelaw

    freelaw Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :lol::deal
     
  3. Shake

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    Ali by mid-round stoppage. Dempsey tags him well a number of times, his movement and timing surprising Ali's split-second reflexes. Ali has the chin, strong clincing and overall survival skills to take it.

    Ali's offense sees him land often and solidly.
     
  4. RockysSplitNose

    RockysSplitNose Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Is would be a fun fight to watch I reckon - the prime Ali just because of his style would be riding a fine line every second - he did in his career - the worry was alway because he was so open all the time anyone could clock him on the chin and hurt him at any time and Dempsey being one of the most lethal in history and with his lightning left hook the margin for error with his hands down tantalising style would be real small and even more risky than when he was taking chances against the likes of the Coopers and the Folleys etc - Dempsey was real quick and springy on his feet too and was on the search and destroy mission every second - the young Ali really averaged any stoppage wins around the 5th or 6th round or took took things the distance - he ain't stopping Dempsey in 6 rounds so I see a distance fight but Ali could be hurt and was riding that tantalising fine line - it's as close as a fight gets and fought at a real lick and Ali won't be able to coast or steal rounds - can Dempsey be busy every second - I say there's a good chance Dempsey takes it over 15 (and I'd say that a Dempsey ko or stoppage win in any fight is a distinct possibility - it's all about how Ali reacts to Dempsey's style and combination of very good foot speed his cageyness and springy crouching bobbing and weaving and blazing handspeed and legendary punching power and ruthlessness and ferocity
     
  5. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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  6. Ramon Rojo

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    Ali by TKO in the mid rounds.
     
  7. manbearpig

    manbearpig A Scottish Noob Full Member

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    Mate, seriously? I'm a Muhammad Ali **** sucker. I was taking the ****
     
  8. Unforgiven

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    Let's be serious, Dempsey KO 1 Ali.
     
  9. groove

    groove Well-Known Member Full Member

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    aslong as ali doesn't clown about like he did v coooper cuz of his 5th round prediction and take this one seriously he should be ok ;) dempsey i like but ali was faster in every way. think it could go the distance.
     
  10. guilalah

    guilalah Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This was witty, Panchilles!
     
  11. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Rocky,Well said. After reading from the posters above, I thought they were talking about Ray Robinson,[if Ray were a heavyweight], rather than the "murderous" punching Clay/Ali.They attribute god-like vitues to their idol
    that history doesn't bear out. "Ali will stop Dempsey",poppycock !
    Dempsey, at his best, moreso than Frazier, had the style that would be hell for Ali. Sheer hell ! Clay/Ali had trouble with fast punching men lika a Doug Jones, Floyd Patterson [WITH a Bad Back], and a left hooker like Henry Cooper, a bleeder even when given instructions by the ref starting the bout. In a
    prime Dempsey, Clay/Ali would face a much faster version of Joe Frazier ,with a faster left hook,and a powerful right hand also. And Dempsey, NEVER CUT on his leather like face. The peak Dempsey was described by ringsiders as having the body and hand movements of a middleweight. Before Dempsey's 3 year La Dolce Vita layoff, he would ,because of this speed,and
    bobbing and weaving style, be a problem for Clay/Ali, who never confronted
    a style nullifying his jab, and Dempsey in my opinion had to duplicate Henry Cooper's left-hook on Ali's jaw,OFTEN if the occasion DEMANDED, with dire results for Clay/Ali. And remember folks, Dempsey NEVER cut as Cooper did,
    and the prime Dempsey HIT twice as HARD as a Bonavena, or a Chuvalo, AND TWICE as FAST ! If Ali couldn't avoid the punches of a Bonavena, and a George Chuvalo,at Ali's best, he would be facing in the prime Dempsey, a bigger heavyweight version, of the lightweight vicious edition of Roberto Duran. Dempsey ,I have always contended ,and the lightweight Roberto Duran, were KINDRED souls,both panther-like and MEAN. So I pick the 1919-23 edition of Jack Dempsey, over any version of Clay/Ali.
    Furthermore, I believe the young Joe Louis and young Mike Tyson, would pose the greatest threat to Jack Dempsey, because their fast hitting power
    COULD kayo anybody.Styles make fights ,still applies...Cheers Rocky.:good
     
  12. Big Red

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    Prime Ali was beatable like people point out with the Cooper fight. Chuvalo also showed that a great fighter might be able to beat Ali in his prime. I thought the fight was close and Ali ended up hospitalized. Chuvalo was no slouch but if he can hospitalize Ali I think Dempsey could really put some serious hurt on him.
     
  13. McGrain

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    Ali KO'd two fighters who were never otherwise stopped in Bonovena and Foreman. If he hadn't done so, these fighters would basically be regarded as uncknockoutable today, or as close to it as fighters can be, due to the array of punchers they met.

    History bares out his punch just fine.

    Which otherwise unstopped fighters did Dempsey stop?

    And given that he was stopped once in a round by a truly inferior fighter, why should Dempsey being KO'd versus the best he would ever meet be ruled out?

    Dempsey doesn't bring the speed of pressure Frazier does based upon the film. I'd disagree for this reason.

    Furthermore, whilst some of the abvoe is true, you omit to mention that Ali beat all the men you mention AND that the fighter most like Ali that Dempsey met, Gene Tunney, totally outclassed him.

    Yes, I know Dempsey was not prime, but if we're going to mention Cooper I and Doug Jones for Ali, it's certainly fair to point out that the only world-class box-mover Dempsey ever met lost hardly a round TO dEMPSEY.

    He has faster hands certainly, but as a pressure fighter, this is a reach to say the least. Furthermore, whilst Dempsey is faster than Frazier, Frazier speed was not a huge factor in any of the three fights - which is important because a primed Ali is faster than a prime Dempsey.


    Muhammad Ali was described by some as moving like a lightweight.
     
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  14. Unforgiven

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    Good question.
    Billy Miske is the answer, I think.



    You don't think Frazier's speed of hand and foot was a major factor in winning against Ali ?

    As for Dempsey, I'm impressed by his constant pressure and speed coming forward for 15 rounds against Gibbons. And he was past his prime then.
     
  15. McGrain

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    His footspeed was crucial, yes.

    His handspeed, not so much. Of course, you could argue he would have lost I if he was X% slower, but you could argue that about literally every attribute literally every fighter has.