Jack Dempsey vs Rocky Marciano...

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by hernanday, Oct 13, 2012.


  1. MadcapMaxie

    MadcapMaxie Guest

    Yes Firpo rushed Dempsey, but Dempsey's fast footwork didn't manage to save him his body assualt did (majority of the KDs were from bodyshots). Wills was 35, clearly past it, when he fought Firpo and yet Firpo still couldn't beat him, honestly I'm completely unawares of whether or not he managed to hurt Firpo but Wills although he could hit was never highly regarded as a puncher. Same with Willard, who like Firpo had an abysmal skillset. The best and only highly regarded puncher that Firpo fought destroyed him in 2 rounds despite being signifcantly smaller. Also I'd wager Roland Lastarza had a better chin, and if not, his much better defense coupled with his good chin made him alot harder to KO than Firpo, would you agree?

    Yes if Rocky comes in swining he could get caught coming in and yes Dempsey could beat him to the punch with his superior speed but the opposite could happen too. Dempsey I believe was the more wild of the two while Rocky was more measured, also while Dempsey mainly threw wider hooks, Rocky usually threw shorter, straighter punches which means he could catch Dempsey first.

    Dempsey was KO'd cold by a man never known as a puncher, decked by the relativley lighter punching Tunney who didn't sit on his punches (not for that fight anyway) and Firpo decked Dempsey twice with a chance of a third but was too crude to follow up and was stunned numerous times. Rocky in contrast was only decked twice by two VERY good punchers who although don't hit as hard as Dempsey were more effective, both being very sneaky and clever fighters who had the ability to reel an opponent in and blindside him with a shot they don't see coming. Moore has more career KO's than anybody in history, actually weighed more than Rocky and said the counter right he threw was one of the hardest punches he ever threw. Rocky immediatley got up from both KD's and had no lasting effects. Rex Layne who was a highly touted contender and puncher who was backed by Dempsey himself for being the next Champ couldn't hurt Rocky at all. As you probably know sometimes a well placed punch hurts you more than one that is simply hard. As a sidenote I don't ever recall Charles stunning Rocky.

    I don't think I said Rocky was the better puncher (taking everything into account, accuracy, speed, power etc) and if I did I meant to say harder puncher. I believe this simply because Rocky appears to be the harder puncher given how I rate his opposition as being better and he usually KO'd them in more devastating, cleaner fashion than Dempsey, who usually needed numerous KD's in an era with very small gloves, no mouthguards and the ability to stand over a downed opponent. Just my opinion no way to say for certain who hit harder.

    As for your final point I usually put that down to personal biasness, something everyone has in regards to certain fighters and era's as it's usually a mutual feeling that the previous era was better. Johnson had very little good to say about Dempsey and said he'd get whipped by Langford and Fitzsimmons as well as some others, Jeffries said he and the people he beat would whip Rocky, Tunney said Dempsey would flatten Walcott, Charles and Marciano in one night etc.
     
  2. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Quick reply, and then I have to run. I do not think Lastarza had a better chin in comparison to Fripo. Lastarza quickly wore down once Rocky landed a low blow, and mean hook on a break in the re-match. LaStarza's defense and speed though were better than Firpo's.

    Many feel LaStarza outpoitned Rocky in the first match, and Walcott was ahead by a few rounds prior to the KO.. So fast hands and swift feet ( and some head movement ) as Dempsey could gave Rocky trouble.
     
  3. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    If thinblack can do it...
     
  4. Charlietf

    Charlietf Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Explosive Fast starter Dempsey would knock down rocky 3 times and would win by tko
     
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  5. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I would lean toward Marciano breaking Dempsey down over the rounds and either stopping him late or taking a decision by a decent margin. Rocky's best opponents may have been long in the tooth and small. But they were good operators and Dempsey was no giant himself.
     
  6. KasimirKid

    KasimirKid Well-Known Member Full Member

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    My thought exactly. Most of the stuff about resumes is overblown. Just compiling lists about how many supposed "Hall of Famers" a fighter fought or defeated doesn't mean anything unless you take the time and effort to analyze the circumstances and context of each fighter's career at the time they fought.

    As far as Dempsey drawing the color line, which he did, the important thing isn't who he didn't fight, it is to analyze how he did against those he did fight. Who he ducked becomes important when rating the quality of his championship reign. For example, I think the quality of Marciano's reign is far superior to Dempsey's because he fought a greater percentage of the leading contenders, he defended his title twice a year instead, and he did not draw a color line, etc. That, however, does not necessarily mean he was a better fighter than Dempsey.
     
  7. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Dempsey would overwhelm Rocky
     
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  8. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Mr Grant, your foreshadowing is absolutely gorgeous.
     
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  10. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Unless you have a size and physicality advantage over Rocky, I generally don't think it's a good idea to meet Rocky head on and turn it into a dogfight. Dempsey would do just that, and I believe fail.
     
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  12. Frankus

    Frankus Active Member Full Member

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    I’d favour Dempsey. No logic to the pick, just a gut feel.
     
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  13. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's what I see , both have power but Jack is faster. Rocky was a slow starter, Jack could blitz a guy who got hit a lot. The first round of Marciano Walcott I is revealing. If that had been Dempsey Marciano is ko'ed
     
  14. CharlesBurley

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    Marciano has the better defense and timing. He also had the better stamina and was stronger so I think wears Dempsey down and stops mid to late rounds.
     
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  15. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Very bloody fight with multiple knockdowns each side. Dempsey eventually gets worn down and gets knocked out