jack dempsey vs rocky marciano

disagree

>>> Dempsey seemed to hurt guys quicker on flim once he landed.

strongly disagree plus marciano appeared to take a better punch on film

>>> The best punchers Marciano faced were Moore and Walcott, and neither hit has hard as Fripo, Willard, or Fulton. Therfore, Dempsey faced better punchers.

 

The best punchers Marciano faced were Louis, Walcott, Moore Layne. Joe Louis was the hardest puncher marciano faced at 6'2 215lb.

Louis was rated # 1 on Rings top 100 punchers of all time Louis not only hit harder than firpo, fulton, willard but he was far more skilled than these men and had a much better jab than any of these giants. The Old adage is Raw Power is the last thing to leave a fighter.



Walcott was rated # 66 on Rings top 100 punchers of all time, I didnt see willards name on there? Fulton and Fipro are on there but there rated lower than Walcott. On Film, Walcott had more explosive knockouts than either of these men


Moore was rated # 4 on Rings top 100 punchers of all time, Film proves moore was a devastating puncher with that straight right hand.


Rex Layne is very comparable to Luis Firpo. Both were Young big Crude Sluggers with Heavy right hands, Layne beat better fighters.

 

Not True, louis, matthews, Layne, walcott knockouts were more devastating 1-2 punch kayos than dempsey had on film(in fairness we dont have the fulton fight on film). Marciano also knocked top guys out cold, something dempsey didnt do other than sharkey who got launched in the balls.

 

Actually Fulton is on that list, I think Firpo might be as well.

Yeah, Firpo 79, Fulton 98.

 

Like Sweet Dude, Walcott was # 66.

 

When did Fulton hit Dempsey? Why was Willard necessarily a big puncher at all? To the extent he was, did he have anything left by 1919 after he had laid off three years and was considerably overweight?

Firpo certainly hit hard but was crude. Still he in fact had Dempsey in far worse shape than anyone ever had Marciano.

It took Dempsey quite a while to hurt Brennan, Gibbons, and Tunney on film. The evidence is mixed. Dempsey could bang you out early, but if he didn't, the fight tended to drag on.

 

How much did Dempsey have left when he fought Tunney?

 

One reason being, according to Marciano, was that he needed a few rounds to shake off the rust. Apparently, the long layoffs between championship fights were something Rocky didn't much fancy, as he liked to be busy.
It doesn't altogether add up, but that's one of the reasons given anyway.

I like JT's prediction here and have nothing to add.

Edit: I mean KO magazine's prediction.

 

Dempsey's handspeed is on par with Walcott and Charles but with more power (although Walcott was a very hard puncher in his own right). Both had great chins and similar power and strength. Both had tremendous heart. It is hard to pick but I'll go with Dempsey by 11th round knockout as a bleeding Rocky has his vision impaired and does not see the punch that puts him out.

Dempsey KO 11 Marciano

 

My gut feeling on this has always been Dempsey. And I think very highly of Rocky, I just think it's a bad match-up for him.

 

Bingo

It's the durability, power, stamina edge.

Dempsey has speed and explosiveness. But a toe to fight with a guy with the durability, power, and stamina and short reach and lower center of gravity... I mean who do you think is going to win? Just look at Marciano. His body is even more suited for such a low in fighting war. Regardless of how much better Dempsey was an "In-fighter." 67 reach and 2 inches shorter gives Rocco the edge.

Rocco wears him down. Dempsey won't blitz him out of their.

If they fought in an era under Dempsey's rules were he can hover over Rocky and beat on him (Assuming he knocks him down). Then maybe... just maybe Dempsey could win.

Dempsey went 15 rounds how many times? He looked tired at the end of the Tunney fight. Explosive speedy power guys like Dempsey and Tyson don't have the reservoir. Guys like Frazier and Marciano just wear you down. But here is wear the contradiction arises. Marciano was in fact a slugger with great raw power and unbelievable stamina. He could load up and throw just about everything for 15 rounds and still keep going. You could call him a swarmer-slugger if you want. Either way, Rocky beats Dempsey. Very very confident on this win. Toe to toe and inside fighting favors Rocky - not Dempsey.

 

Dempsey early or Marciano late

 

marciano by stoppage.
as for dempsey saying rocky hit harder than he and bomber joe,he could be right but dempsey and rocky both missed more than the bomber and he,joe would batter the pair of them

 

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Marciano is the eventual winner for me

I don't see it going the distance either - he was only taken the distance once in his last 14 fights when he was fighting the cream of his career. And in truth he never failed to hurt anyone he hit - and a total of only 3 men avoided the canvas against him in his whole career!

Couple that with the fact that Marciano knocked out his 5 best opponents.

Funnily enough I see the opening round going in a similar vain to that of Walcott-Marciano I - I do see Marciano going down in the first and being left staggered and blinking at times but I also think Marciano had a funny and deceiving way of avoid getting really tagged big time - I challenge anyone to find any footage of a Marciano fight where anyone ever hit Marciano with any more than one really big punch at a time when on the offensive against him. even the supreme pound for pound artiste Sugar Ray Robinson insisted to critics, that Rocky, was the kind of guy “you really had to look for”. With his awkward style of leaning away as he was coming in he was always looking to make himself difficult to hit cleanly when coming in. Marciano was actually very measured and careful in taking the fight right to an opponent and particularly when faced with a troublesome foe he would often step back out and circle round to come at it from a different angle and always kept his hands tucked up close to his chin and never looked to give his opponents anything more than a side on target. Rocky occasionally floundered but would soon correct himself and go back to work. I think Dempsey might find it a little harder than most would imagine to get his ferocious blazing attacks going against The Rock.

there'd definately be a lot of tangling and wrestling and they may well smother each other a little - obviously there would be some vicious inside work but also Marciano could also take a step back size things up every now and again. Both men would relish the test of strength in the slugging stakes throughout but I'd favour Marciano upping his work as the fight went on and Dempsey's work rate dropping off - Firpo had Dempsey on the verge - even little Carp suprised him when he caught him flush and had him momentarily staggered, Jack Sharkey had his legs all over the place and Tunney dropped him to a knee so I just favour Rock to end it late - Dempsey would hang tough for a lot of the punishment though and as usual would probably be lethal every second he was in there

 

I have often debated this one in my head over and I still can't come up with a definitive answer. This much is clear though. This fight does NOT go the distance. Dempsey will try to end this as soon as he can as that was his M.O. so to speak. The question is of course can Marciano survive Jack's early onslaught and come back to KO Dempsey later in the fight? Walcott tried to KO Rocky early in thier 1st fight by bringing it right to Rocky in the 1st round but failed. Dempsey would try the same tactic but he was much better at it than Joe was plus he hit harder. Joe was generally a cute boxer with a good punch. Dempsey was a killer plain and simple, the kind of fighter Marciano never really faced and that might be the deciding factor. If Rocky can survive Jack's early onslaught and drag this into the later rounds his chances improve dramatically. If he can't then Jack wins. It's that simple. I favor Dempsey by a hair but this could certainly go either way in perhaps the greatest HW fighy of all time.