jack dempsey vs rocky marciano

In what way was he a sharper puncher?

 

C'mon........ Look at the tapes........ Marciano threw shorter / tighter punches than Dempsey........... Look at Dempsey's 1919 title win over Willard............... Christ, Dempsey threw many wild and zinging shots from left and right field............. Marciano never wound up like that........... Marciano did loop a few shots here and there, but he was never wild in his assault on a foe..........

MR.BILL:bbb

 

Marciano far more often looped wild shots than Dempsey. Dempsey's assault on Willard is not a fair showcase of his technical punching ability. Dempsey was going nuts trying to put Willard away in the first, and he knew Jess was helpless so he wasn't shying away from loading up his punches. In Dempsey's other fighters his punches are much crisper and more compact. Not to mention faster, more accurate and thrown with better technique than any of Marciano's punches. Honestly, Marciano regularly looked as wild and crude and Dempsey did at times in the Willard fight.

 

MR BILL.

How can you claim that Rocky never threw wild looped punches?

Look at his fights with Cockell and Moore. Especially v Moore when he had him on the ropes hurt, Rock was wild at times. You bring up dempsey v Willard, but Dempsey landed nearly every punch on a 6'6 man, he couldn't miss.

Yes he was wild against Firpo, but only because he had Firpo down early and tried to finish him early, i mean come on, wasn't Firpo down like 7 times in that fight? Firpo showed tremendous heart while it lasted.

 

Again, it is an extremely tough fight but if a gun was to my head I'd have to go with Rocky.

For starters, to me he is by far the more proven commodity. Dempsey may very well have been significantly better but to me he did not prove it. Dempsey deteriorited as champ. To Rocky's credit he got better.

I also have a theory about these match ups of irresistable forces ... someone always becomes the man who gives and I simply do not see it being Marciano. I can see Dempsey storming out, blazing away and hurting him badly but Dempsey was KO'ed by Flynn, rocked by Carpienter, rocked by Brennan, ect ... somewhere Rocky connects with a nasty bomb and it is a different fight.

I can see a much bigger Foreman or a prime Tyson storming out early and taking Rocky out but they are much bigger monsters. I just cannot see Dempsey, basically Rocky's size doing it.

 

The more I think about it the more I see Rocky breaking him down and stopping him late

 

I never said Marciano never looped a shot or threw a wild one here and there, I know he did for **** sakes........ But I also now Goddamn well Dempsey threw wild-ass shots from left and right field on a regular basis...... However, it is much harder to get a good read on Dempsey cuz many of his fight clips are crude and of poor quality compared to Marciano's footage of the 50's when cameras were much better, etc....... Regardless, I still favor the better trained Marciano of '52 over Dempsey of 1920-circa in a time machine.....

MR.BILL

 

Also, if a faded 31 to 32 year old Jack Dempsey thought Gene Tunney was slick and a good puncher in 1926 / '27, what do you think that Dempsey would've felt during that same period if he were boxing a 38 year old Joe Walcott from 1952 in a time machine.?.?

Up until he got caught / nailed in the 13th round by Marciano's desperate right hand, Walcott was painting a masterpiece on Marciano face....... Had that been a 10 rounder like the "Dempsey-Tunney" fights were, Walcott would've won by a landslide decision......

My point is, I feel Joe Walcott of 1947 thru 1952 was much more dangerous and powerful than Eugene Tunney was from 1923 thru 1928 as a ringer......

Tunney and his 'Harry Greb' bull**** is cool, but nothing like Walcott fighting dudes' like "Louis, Charles and The Rock."

NAW!!! Rocky Marciano takes Dempsey out in a brutal war of attrition somewhere around the 10 or 11 round....... Dempsey gets parked like a Ford Pick-Up truck......

MR.BILLthumbsup:hat:rasta:good:scaredas:

 

Thanks for your honesty, we see the matchup similarly.

:good

 

Marci doesn't lose to Demps..........

MR.BILL:-(

 

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We all have this pic of Dempsey as a pin pointer shooter, but thats not fair, Willard and Firpo didnt relly know how to duck, slip, block or get out of the way for the most part.

I belive had Rocky been there, he would have landed just as much on these guys.

 

I'm honest because I see it your way ? So I'm dishonest if I do not ? Dude , get a shrink.

Another reason I have to lean to Rocky is qualify of opposition. Imagine if Rocky Marciano drew the color line and only fought the white heavyweights of his era ? He'd of been champ till the mid 1960's ... Dempsey's drawing the line, whatever the reason and I definately do not feel he feared anyone as champ, has to hurt him. One thing about Rocky, he fought everyone. Other than Cockell the man did not even take a soft touch in five years ... got to give him that ... all number 1's ..

 

If post #89 is directed at me it's misinterpretation of things.

That is all...