Jack Dempsey .Vs. Rocky Marciano

No one ever had more will than Rocky, but Dempsey and Frazier are on par as far as heavyweights are concerned. Stamina would be in issue, and Rocky would have the advantage in that regard, but I think he would be taking more damage than Dempsey throughout most the fight. If the fight went 15 I think Dempsey'd win by 9 to 6 or 8 to 7, doing most of his best work through the first 6 rounds, after that it'd be pretty give and take, with Marciano winning the majority of the last 4 or 5 rounds. I think that it'd be more likely to end in a referee stoppage at some point, though.

 

So we agree on the general pattern of the fight, aside from the outcome?

I don't think Dempsey went more than 12 rounds more than once. You don't think Maricano's pressure might be too much in the championship rounds?

How do you think fighting with bigger gloves would affect Dempsey, if at all?

 

I only disagree with the outcome as much as I do because I can't picture Dempsey quitting. Even if he was dead on his feet he'd come out, if only to get battered to a referee stoppage, but I guess I just think more of Dempsey's toughness and stamina than you do. Both Marciano and Dempsey went the fifteen round distance only once (Dempsey against Gibbons and Marciano against Charles). Dempsey went 12 against Brennan in their second fight, scoring knockout in the 12th with a three punch combination, and he went 10 against Billy Miske in their first fight. Those three occasions are the only times a prime, or near prime Dempsey went past 6 rounds. In his fight with Gibbons he didn't seemed gassed at all at the end of the fight, though he wasn't taking much punishment. In his fight with Miske Dempsey's best round was the 7th (so I've read) and in his fight with Brennan, Dempsey started to get better after the 6th, up to the knockout in the 12th.

In my opinion, Dempsey definitly had good 15 round stamina and definitely carried his power late, he just rarley had to demonstrate these qualities because he was activly looking for the KO from the opening bell. Marciano possibly had the best stamina in the history of the weight division, though. Anyway, While Marciano has advantages in Stamina, and possibly chin over Dempsey, Dempsey has plenty of advantages as well. It'd be a great fight, but I think Dempsey pulls it out, probably by a referee stoppage around in the 10th or by close decision.

It's hard to say how much bigger gloves would effect Dempsey. Seeing as he was so remarkably effective with the smaller gloves, I'd guess he'd still be remarkably effective, just slightly less so. I think Dempsey would actually benefit from fighting in that era to a degree, because ref's were much quicker to stop fights.

 

How about the edge in handspeed, footwork,and evasiveness,as in bobbing ,and weaving,which Marciano copied from Dempsey ,but not as successfully? I see Dempsey coming out like as train,firing short hooks to body and head Rocky warming into the fight but sustaining facial damage,if there is an early kd ,I think Jack will be the one floored ,but Marciano gets stopped via cuts around the 8th rd,imo.Past this distance the odds are in Rocky's favour I think.But really a pick em fight ,and maybe the greatest slug fest we never saw.

 

Yeah, and thank God for that. At least one of them would have been ruined after this fight, wouldn't have been worth it no matter how could the fight turned out to be.

 

Ok, I've thought about it and here are what I think are the most likely outcomes

Dempsey takes the opening rounds, Marciano starts to come on stronger, but the ref stops it in Dempsey's favor due to Marciano taking too much damage and bleeding all over the ring.

Dempsey takes the early rounds, the mid rounds are give and take, Marciano takes the late rounds and it goes to the cards. In this situation I'd favor Dempsey to win the decision, but a Marciano victory wouldn't be much less likely

Pretty much the same as above, but Marciano manages to pull out a KO/TKO very, very late.

That being said, I'm done. I hate this thread. Every other week there's a new Dempsey v. Marciano thread and it always leads to heated Dempsey bashing. I don't know if that's happened here, because I haven't read any of the posts besides McVey's and Fist of Fury's, but I want no part of it! I get way, way too ****ing into these "discussions".

 

Most of Rock'y opponents weren't the same after he finished with them ,and Willard didn't look to sprightly after Jack was through with him.A heavyweight Gatti v Ward,Mab v Morales. type of clash.

 

Isn't that the point?

 

I'm also pretty sure the beatings that Bill Brennan recieved from Dempsey contributed to his early decline as a fighter. Lost his last three fights, retired at just 31 years of age. Funny that these two fighters who fought so violently and fought so many brutal fights are two of the best examples of fighters who retired at the right time and kept their faculties after their careers had ended.

 

I agree and what a tragedy Marciano didnt enjoy as long and fruitful a life as Dempsey,he certainly earned it.

 

It can be fun, sure, but I just get to the point where I'm responding to everyone that I disagree with. Then they all reply back, then I wind up arguing with about 8 people at once. Of course a respectful, open minded discussion between two people with a genuine appreciation for the subjects at hand is great, but with me it's usually more like a verbal boxing match. Mostly my fault, I just tend to be too passionate about certain subjects, I'm the same way when people say that Captain America would beat Batman in a fist fight or when people say that The Lost Boys is better than Near Dark. Just my personality, I guess.

 

Like in obssesive?

 

He would. :hey

 

Psh...whatever...

He wouldn't, though.

 

It's not a guarantee that Marciano cuts. He didn't cut THAT easy.