Jack Dempsey's opinions on Muhammad Ali

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  1. slender4

    slender4 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Yep Dempsey avoided black fighters,
    Thomas Jefferson knocked up his wive's 14-year old sister (whom he owned)
    Ghandi was a virulent racist
    and MLK beat the **** out of hookers.

    If you judge anyone in the past by today's standards, they all lose.
     
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    Fair enough. I was merely saying history has shown that some folks have become truly great men by bucking, or kicking against reprehensible systems, no matter the circumstances of their personal lives. The fact that they use their livelihood's as a platform to do so can be an added bonus whether it be sport, music, or any of the other arts.

    I never said that it was compulsory, or even expected, nor did I imply that Dempsey or anyone else should be less respected if they didn't.
     
  3. burt bienstock

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    If we agree anymore we shall have to become engaged !:patsch
     
  4. PowerPuncher

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    Ali didn't rate Dempsey too highly

    And it's written by that cretin Scoop Malinowski
     
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    Ali never got in the ring with him.
     
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    Why's that? Times change and just because you were a product of your times, doesn't make you an *******.

    Watch old movie's 3/4 of the stars were smoking or drinking on screen, why? because that was the norm back then.
     
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    You'd have had an exlusive for sure had you talked to Harry Wills,Burt !
     
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    Don't forget LBJ possibly offing JFK.But great point nonetheless.
     
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    On the contrary, during his 1971 interview/special with Cuz D'mato, Ali called Dempsey "One of the greatest fighters in ring history". When D'mato went to explain why he believed Ali would win with relative ease, Ali expressed disbelief in Cuz's evaluation citing the above quote, and several others in regard to Dempsy's ability.
     
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    Because he's showing himself to be someone who sees literally everything in terms of poisonous my-side/your-side partisan politics and the new thing for certain precious snowflakes to get upset about is any accusation that someone has taken the slightest action that could be construed as racist.
     
  11. ThatOne

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    Of all his attributes the fact that the young Ali was so full of life is what drew me to him when he was fighting and draws me to him to this day. He was the walking embodiment of joie de vivre. I think Ali and Dempsey were having lunch at his restaurant and Foreman came in. Ali excused himself from the table to go and talk ---- to George Foreman.