Jack Dempsey's Real Record

Mr.DagoWop · Aug 21, 2016

Gr8Mandingo said: ↑

its not unheard of but its more than double the amount of fights on his official record. Dempsey lived quite a long life and I have never found any mention of these additional 70 fights in any interviews, Ring Mag, boxrec, or even from Bert Sugar...

not to say that these sources are end-all-be-all but for none of them to come forward with these statistics seems a bit odd for such a high profile fighter as Dempsey.

Bert Sugar (who i cant stand btw) had the audacity to rate Jack Dempsey #2 all time at HW...so you can best believe if there were 70 fights missing off his official record Sugar would be beating thay drum loud and proud

another thing to consider: im not 100% sure but i dont think sound was available on film throughout any time during Dempseys career, most of the clips ive seen of him are voiced over from later dates

i will say I have heard about the Kid Blackie claim before, although I was unaware that this included fights not already on Dempseys record...if anyone has a record link i would be intetested in seeing
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The quote about 148 fights comes from the documentary "They Were Champions" narrated by Dwight Weist.

mcvey · Aug 21, 2016

McGrain said: ↑

A lot of this wouldn't have been boxing though, if it's as you describe.
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I would guess the lines would get blurred ,some were possibly real bouts inside an improvised ring and with a third man officiating,others ,knockdown drag out brawls with very few rules enforced.

mcvey · Aug 22, 2016

Boxed Ears said: ↑

Ironically, Dempsey actually chose the name 'Kid Blackie' in the hopes that the colour line would be drawn against him until he had enough time to polish his skills to fight the better whiter fighters at the time.
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He alternated it with the pseudonym Jack Darkey.

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