jack demspey vs george foreman

This thread is a real cluster ****.

 

I think being a light heavyweight might be a bit of a stretch ( though not impossible. ) One thing is for certain though, he sure as hell wouldn't be a heavy weight unless he were juicing or doing something along those lines... The man was strong and built but had a relatively small frame in comparison to guys of the past 30 years.. Cruiserweight may have been an ideal class for him, but I can't see him competing well at the 215 or so pounds that he'd need to have in order to match modern big guys...

 

I don't necessarily think Jack would be better bulked up. He seemed to be pretty ideal at 185-190. As for the LHW thing, well, he was in that weight range and much lower for a time of his career. I'm not sure if he didn't have much to eat or just still growing but certainly his performances at that weight weren't on the same level.

Gunboat Smith and 36 year old blind Langford would have both spanked him, and he knew it.

His ideal weight was 185-195ish and i think it's best to just leave him there.

 

You're probably right.. And as I said before, it wouldn't have been impossible, but probably very difficult, especially past the age of 25, when his metabolism slowed... Just to draw a comparison, I highly doubt that Michael spinks could have returned to light heavyweight by say 1987, regardless of the fact that he had spent about 90% of his career there..

 

Mc,why do you think that Jack Dempsey if so desired, could not have fought at 210 pounds.? He HAD the frame to easily go up to 210 pounds. It has been done so darn often in other weight classes, besides heavyweights,that to you to call my assertion that Dempsey could have gained a mere 15 pounds " incredible",is mind boggling. Archie Moore went from Middleweight to HW, Ezzard Charles, James Toney, Bernard Hopkins,
Sam Langford, Jack Dillon,and hundreds of others I am sure have willingly gained 10 or more pounds,and a Jack Dempsey,at 190 pounds , nary any body fat couldn't if he so desired gained weight up to 210 with his 6ft1"
big-boned frame ? It is you Mc who is "incredible" in your utter contempt
for anything pertaining to Jack Dempsey,saying he couldn't hold weight of 210 pounds.,whilst so many fighters I cited above COULD. That to me is absurd. Cheers...
P.S. If U could have seen the 50 year old Dempsey from a few feet away
from me as I had,you would have CHANGED your mind. He was BIG,and not fat...

 

yes sr, i agree mr magoo

jack dempsey was one of the most aggressive fighters ever,he was a great fighter but cmon guys.... george foreman was much bigger, much stronger,much heavier, he was no willard.... foreman is top 10 hw, he had a great jab, he did cut the ring pretty well, he was as aggressive as dempsey if not more, he had more hitting power with any hand, and the style of jack was made for foreman. and a guy mentioned ron lyle before... my friend.... ron lyle was 6´3 220 pounds of pure muscle, he was much stronger than jack dempsey and i would put my money on that ron lyle did hit harder with the right hand than dempsey did with his left hook. pfp dempsey did hit harder, but h2h, ron lyle was stronger and i would say harder puncher than dempsey too, he was 30 pounds of solid muscle heavier.

 

Dempsey's best weight was 187lb, not 195lb like some buffoons are saying. Some say Dempsey put weights in his pockets in the willard weigh in, making his real weight maybe in the high 170s

 

Dempsey fought at the weight where he felt he would be most effective. His frame could've held more weight as he had long arms and wide shoulders and a big torso. If championship fights were 12 rounds back then he probably would've weighed more but they were 15. If fights were 15 rounds today you'd see leaner HW's for sure. Can't lug extra girth around for 15 rnds. Same with Marciano. He could've packed more weight on his stubby frame but the weight he fought at was his most effective weight for a 15 round battle. Dempsey was teak tough and sinewy at 185-190 and he was big in all the right places...and strong as well. If I remember correctly after he knocked Firpo cold and the ref counted ten, Jack walked over and picked the limp body of Firpo up and helped him back to his corner. Try picking up a little kid off the floor who is sound asleep...Now try lifting a limp 215-220lb man off the floor and you'll know what raw strength is...which Dempsey had in abundance. I'm with you Burt...Don't lrt 'em get to ya!

 

Dempsey fought at the weight where he felt he would be most effective. His frame could've held more weight as he had long arms and wide shoulders and a big torso. If championship fights were 12 rounds back then he probably would've weighed more but they were 15. If fights were 15 rounds today you'd see leaner HW's for sure. Can't lug extra girth around for 15 rnds. Same with Marciano. He could've packed more weight on his stubby frame but the weight he fought at was his most effective weight for a 15 round battle. Dempsey was teak tough and sinewy at 185-190 and he was big in all the right places...and strong as well. If I remember correctly after he knocked Firpo cold and the ref counted ten, Jack walked over and picked the limp body of Firpo up and helped him back to his corner. Try picking up a little kid off the floor who is sound asleep...Now try lifting a limp 215-220lb man off the floor and you'll know what raw strength is...which Dempsey had in abundance. I'm with you Burt...Don't let 'em get to ya!

 

I think we can safely assume that Jack Dempsey could fill out to 210 lbs today, because anybody bigger than a supermidleweight can. What the effect of that would be I don't know.

I am a little skeptical about the idea of him sweating down to light heavyweight, though I don't rule it out. His tale of the tape suggests a natural cruiserweight to me.

 

These guys not only starve b4 fights and train 2 burn fat , they dehydrate 2 !
Dempsey had d physique of a lightheavy , although not (of) a lightheavy of his era .

 

Thanks GJ, you are a breath of fresh air. But your correct logic will not sway
the Dempsey haters. They to put his legacy down,wouldn't even admit the obvious, that the"small to them Jack Dempsey",at 190 lbs,would be too small and weak for the larger ,but slower 220 lbs, Foreman. When i stated
what contemporaries of Dempsey said, namely that "his 190 pounds were deceptive,as he was very wide,sinewy,and strong from the waist up",
and was as strong as a 210 or more heavyweight, and I said Dempsey IF he wanted to,could have easily bulked up to 210-15 pounds,they became livid. Dempsey and Joe Louius had the strength, the handspeed and power at 190-205 to ko anyone at any weight ,if they connected. Witness Willard, Fulton, Carnera, Buddy Baer ,Abe Simon. Arguing with them is like tilting with windmills,as their dislike of Dempsey,will even argue the obvious
that Dempsey COULD have fought at 210,if he thought that it would improve him. It wouldn't have !
P.S. GJ, I thought I was the only one on ESB that noticed Dempsey lifting the brutish Firpo ,by picking him up by the armpits. Dead weight [no pun]
is damn hard to lift,but lil ole 190 pound Dempsey lifted him off the floor.
Kudos to you...:hi:

 

You're creating arguments in your head just so you can continuously rattle off your script on Dempsey.

The black guy wins anyway.