Jack Johnson and the black heavyweights a chronology

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  1. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    This is just from boxrec to start off, I intend for this to be fleshed out with news reports. I've tried to include notable wins, and losses of the various black heavyweights, if there's any I overlooked, or are missing from boxrec, please tell me and I will update them. Any reports of these fights would appreciated, I intend to add what I can.

    I have excluded wins over what I consider more minor opponents. I have also excluded short no decision bouts, apart ones between Johnson and other important heavyweights. I am only going up to Johnson winning the title from Tommy Burns

    1893
    Hank Griffin draws with Frank Childs
    1896
    12-01 Hank Griffin KOed by James J Jeffries
    12-21 Bob Armstrong KOs Charley Strong
    1897
    03-06 Bob Armstrong KOs Joe Butler
    03-07 Frank Childs outpoints Bob Armstrong
    08-04 Young Peter Jackson outpoints Mexican Pete Everett (4 rounds)
    11-01 Jack Johnson's first listed matches on boxrec
    1898
    01-08 Frank Childs KOs Klondike
    01-29 Franks Childs KOs Bob Armstrong
    02-21 Bob Armstrong KOs Yank Kenny
    02-26 Frank Childs KOs Klondike
    03-26 Young Peter Jackson DQ'd against Young Griffo
    04-25 Bob Armstrong draws with Ed Dunkhorst
    07-04 Bob Armstrong KOed by Mexican Pete Everett
    08-05 Bob Armstrong outpointed by James J Jeffries
    09-14 George Byers outpoints Frank Childs
    11-08 Frank Childs outpoints Charley Strong
    12-04 Bob Armstrong draws with Ed Dunkhorst
    12-09 Bob Armstrong KOs Mexican Pete Everett
    1899
    03-04 Frank Childs KOs Bob Armstrong
    03-20 Frank Childs outpoints Ed Dunkhorst
    03-24 Frank Childs outpoints Mexican Pete Everett
    05-06 Klondike KO's Jack Johnson
    06-06 Bob Armstrong KOs Denver Ed Martin
    06-21 Klondike DQ win over Joe Goddard
    07-24 Denver Ed Martin Charley Stevenson
    10-28 Frank Childs KOs Klondike
    11-14 Bob Armstrong outpointed by Ed Dunkhorst
    1900
    02-14 Young Peter Jackson KOs Philidelphia Jack O'Brien
    02-23 Joe Walcott KOs Joe Choynski
    03-16 Frank Childs draws with George Byers
    06-25 Jack Johnson draws with Klondike
    08-20 Klondike DQ'd against Peter Maher
    08-31 Denver Ed Martin KOs Yank Kenny
    09-11 Young Peter Jackson KOed by Mysterious Billy Smith
    12-21 Frank Childs outpoints Mexican Pete Everett
    12-27 Jack Johnson KOs Klondike
    1901
    02-25 Joe Choynski KOs Jack Johnson
    03-16 Frank Childs KOs George Byers
    05-07 Hank Griffin draws with Joe Kennedy
    06-14 Young Peter Jackson KOs Mysterious Billy Smith
    07-02 Hank Griffin draws with Joe Kennedy
    08-14 Jack Johnson draws with Mexican Pete Everett
    09-27 Joe Walcott outpoints George Gardner
    10-02 Denver Ed Martin KOs Hank Griffin
    11-04 Hank Griffin outpoints Jack Johnson
    11-28 Joe Walcott outpoints Young Peter Jackson
    12-27 Jack Johnson draws with Hank Griffin
    1902
    02-24 Denver Ed Martin outpoints Frank Childs (6 rounds)
    03-07 Jack Johnson KOs Joe Kennedy
    04-04 Joe Walcott draws with Fred Russel (Walcott knocks down the heavyweight)
    04-11 Sam Langford first listecx bout, KO win
    04-12 Sam McVea's first listed bout, KO win, record apparently 6-0-2
    04-25 George Gardner outpoints Joe Walcott
    06-20 Jack Johnson draws with Hank Griffin
    06-25 Denver Ed Martin KOs Sandy Ferguson
    07-25 Denver Ed Martin outpoins Bob Armstrong
    08-16 Denver Ed Martin KOs Frank Craig
    08-30 Denver Ed Martin KOs Frank Craig
    09-02 Hank Griffin KOed by Fred Russell
    10-09 Frank Childs KOs Joe Walcott
    10-21 Jack Johnson KOs Frank Childs
    10-31 Jack Johnson outpoints George Gardner
    11-01 Sam McVea KOs Fred Russell
    12-01 Joe Choynski outpoints Frank Childs
    1903
    01-06 Sam McVea KOs Jim "toothpick" Kelly
    02-05 Jack Johnson outpoint Denver Ed Martin
    02-26 Jack Johnson outpoints Sam McVea
    04-16 Jack Johnson outpoints Sandy Ferguson
    06-10 Bob Armstrong KOs Denver Ed Martin
    06-18 Young Peter Jackson draws with Joe Walcott
    08-20 Bob Armstrong KOed by Sandy Ferguson
    09-15 Sam McVea KOs Denver Ed Martin
    10-27 Jack Johnson outpoints Sam McVea
    11-10 Joe Walcott outpointed by Sandy Ferguson
    12-08 Sam Langford outpoints Joe Gans
    12-11 Jack Johnson outpoints Sandy Ferguson
    12-29 Joe Walcott outpoints Larry Temple
    1904
    04-22 Jack Johnson KOs Sam McVea
    05-23 Joe Walcott draws with Sandy Ferguson
    06-02 Jack Johnson outpoints Frank Childs
    06-10 Young Peter Jackson KOs Joe Walcott
    07-06 Frank Childs KOs Klondike
    08-12 Denver Ed Martin outpoints Sam McVea
    09-05 Sam Langford draws with Joe Walcott
    09-30 Joe Walcott draws with Joe Gans (Joe Walcott suffers serious injuries)
    10-18 Jack Johnson KOs Denver Ed Martin
    11-11 Joe Jeanette first listed fight NWS loss 6 rounds
    ??-?? Denver Ed Martin outpoints Frank Childs
    1905
    03-28 Jack Johnson loses decision to Marvin Hart
    05-02 Jack Johnson KOs Black Bill
    05-09 Jack Johnson NWS win over Joe Jeannette (3 rounds)
    04-07 Young Peter Jackson outpointed by Philidelphia Jack O'Brien
    05-15 Young Peter Jackson NWS win over Larry Temple
    05-26 Sam Langford outpoints Young Peter Jackson
    06-16 Sam Langford outpoints Young Peter Jackson
    07-04 Larry Temple outpoints Sam Langford
    07-18 Jack Johnson DQ win over Sandy Ferguson
    09-29 Sam Langford draws with Young Peter Jackson
    10-11 Joe Jeannette KOs Black Bill
    11-25 Joe Jeannette DQ win over Jack Johnson
    12-01 Jack Johnson 12 round NWS win over Young Peter Jackson
    12-01 Jack Johnson NWS win over Joe Jeannette 6 rounds
    12-25 Joe Jeannette KOs Sam Langford
    1906
    01-16 Jack Johnson NWS win over Joe Jeannette (3 rounds)
    01-25 Sam McVea KOs Denver Ed Martin
    02-08 Jack Johnson draw with Jim McCormick
    03-14 Jack Johnson outpoints Joe Jeannette
    04-05 Sam Langford KOs Joe Jeannette
    04-16 Jack Johnson KOs Black Bill
    04-17 Jack Johnson DQ win over Jim McCormick
    04-20 Joe Walcott draws with Philidelphia Jack O'Brien
    04-26 Jack Johnson outpoints Sam Langford
    06-13 Young Peter Jackson KOs Sam Langford
    09-06 Joe Jeannette KOs Black Bill
    11-21 Sam Langford outpoints Young Peter Jackson
    11-26 Jack Johnson ND with Joe Jeannette (either draw or win)
    1907
    01-11 Joe Jeannette draws with Sam Langford
    02-19 Jack Johnson KOs Peter Felix
    02-28 Sam McVea KOs Denver Ed Martin
    03-04 Jack Johnson KOs Bill Lang
    04-15 Joe Jeanette NWS? win over Sam McVea
    04-22 Sam Langford KOs James Tiger Smith
    07-17 Jack Johnson KOs Bob Fitzsimmons
    08-27 Sam Langford NWS win over Larry Temple
    11-02 Jack Johnson KOs Fireman Jim Flynn
    11-12 Sam Langford outpoints Young Peter Jackson
    1908
    03-03 Joe Jeannette draws with Sam Langford
    05-19 Sam Langford outpoints Sandy Ferguson
    05-23 Sam McVea KOs "Jewey" Smith
    09-15 Joe Jeannette outpoints Sandy Ferguson
    12-21 Sam Langford KOs Fireman Jim Flynn
    12-26 Jack Johnson Police stoppage points win over Tommy Burns
     
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    I was interested to see this after McVea's thread, it's mostly just for my own purposes, though I'd like to get news reports for as many as possible eventually.
     
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  3. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    Nothing on George Godfrey? Fought Jake Kilrain to a draw in their first fight, fought Choynski when he was 40+ years old too. Though Boxrec has alot of info missing on him
     
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    It was mostly just for Jack Johnson's time. Godfrey, Peter Jackson etc. were too early, and didn't really come into this as much.

    I've looked for stuff on some of the early black champions a few times, never found much.
     
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    Godfrey had a few past prime bouts during the time period you were examining, so i just thought it might be relevant.

    Godfrey has some pretty crazy stories. Apparently he was once going to fight Sullivan, despite Sullivan's color bar, but the police broke it up due to the illegality of prizefighting at the time
     
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    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/john-l-sullivan-and-peter-jackson.609870/
    Janitor posted some interesting stuff about that in this thread.
     
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  8. mcvey

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    Good work My Man!
     
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    Fitzsimmons was 43 when J Johnson knocked him out.

    Was that THE James Jeffries in 1896?
     
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    Bob Armstrong Vs Yank Kenny Indianapolis News,Indianapolis, Marion County, 22 February 1898
    https://newspapers.library.in.gov/c...18980222-01.1.10&txq=bob+armstrong+yank+kenny

    Frank Childs Vs Bob Armstrong
    Pre-fight Indianapolis News,Indianapolis, Marion County, 17 February 1898
    https://newspapers.library.in.gov/c...N18980217-01.1.5&txq=bob+armstrong+yank+kenny

    Sacramento Daily Union, Volume 97, Number 12, 5 March 1899
    https://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a...--txt-txIN-frank+childs+bob+armstrong-------1

    San Francisco Call, Volume 85, Number 95, 5 March 1899
    https://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a...--txt-txIN-frank+childs+bob+armstrong-------1

    Frank Childs Vs Ed Dunkhorst Indianapolis News,Indianapolis, Marion County, 21 March 1899
    https://newspapers.library.in.gov/c...INN18990321-01.1.8&txq=frank+childs+dunkhorst

    Frank Childs Vs George Byers San Francisco Call, Volume 87, Number 107, 17 March 1901
    https://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a...n--20--1--txt-txIN-frank+childs+byers-------1

    Jack Johnson on upcoming fight with Hank Griffin Los Angeles Herald, Volume XXIX, Number 261, 19 June 1902
    https://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a...1--txt-txIN-Jack+johnson+hank+griffin-------1

    Jack Johnson Vs Young Peter Jackson from Daily press., December 02, 1905, Image 1
    https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/...nson+peter+jackson+jack+johnson+peter+jackson
     
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    Jack Johnson Vs Denver Ed Martin Los Angeles Herald, Volume XXX, Number 124, 6 February 1903
    https://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a...xt-txIN-jack+johnson+Denver+Ed+Martin-------1

    Sam McVea Vs Denver Ed Martin Los Angeles Herald, Volume XXX, Number 348, 16 September 1903
    https://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a...n--20--1--txt-txIN-jack+johnson+mcvey-------1

    Jack Johnson Vs Sam McVea The San Francisco call., February 27, 1903, Image 13
    https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/...27/ed-1/seq-13/#words=mcvey+mckee+Mcvey+mckee

    Jack Johnson Vs Sam McVea Los Angeles Herald, Volume XXXI, Number 27, 28 October 1903
    https://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a...n--20--1--txt-txIN-jack+johnson+mcvey-------1
     
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    Hank Griffin Vs Jack Johnson Los Angeles Herald, Volume XXIX, Number 36, 6 November 1901
    https://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a...-20--1--txt-txIN-jack+johnson+griffin-------1


    Supposed record of Sam McVea and Jack Fogarty, claims he was born in Aus
    Los Angeles Herald, Volume XXX, Number 5, 6 October 1902
    https://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a...-20--1--txt-txIN-jack+johnson+griffin-------1

    Lee Haley 3 rounds
    Tim Jackson 8 rounds
    George Jones 2 rounds
    Jim Flint 4 rounds
    Mike Nolan 16 rounds
    George Stewart 9 rounds
    Tom Mckee 3 rounds
    George Sullivan 7 rounds

    Sam McVea Vs Fred Russell Los Angeles Herald, Volume XXX, Number 31, 2 November 1902
    https://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a...=-------en--20--1--txt-txIN-sam+mcvey-------1
     
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  14. mcvey

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    Yes Johnson gets no real credit for koing the shell of Fitz, as he said himself he was well past it.
     
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    Brilliant research!Thanks! George Sullivan is credited on McVey's record but if the other opponents are genuine this gives him a further 7 wins!
     
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