Jack Johnson calls FOTC to a T

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  1. McGrain

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    Close at least:

    "I shall have to be might spry in the early rounds...Jeffries is going to be mighty dangerous during the first few rounds, and the only thing I can't quite make up mind about is just how long he is going to stay dangerous.

    Sooner or later though he is going to get tired and weak. I don't need to be a prophet to tell you that. A man can't live as he lived and take off all the weight he has taken off and then come into the ring as fit as he ever was in his life.

    I'll admit that he can take plenty of punches. He could always do that. But then, I am not figuring on beating him with a punch - or with a dozen punches for that matter.

    I expect to knockout Jim Jeffries within eighteen rounds.

    The man doesn't live on earth who can throw me around just as he wants to. Jeffries is a strong fellow all right, but when he bumps into me he'll be buckling up with a man that's every bit as strong as he is."
     
  2. mcvey

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    Except Fury does not possess either Jeffries chin or his punch,and he isn't a man -handler ,more of a hit and hop it guy.
     
  3. Mendoza

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    It pretty amazing that this fight is over 100 years old and some still think Johnson carried Jeffries. No, he did not. His strategy is clear, and how he approaches the fight if you watch the film is also clear.

    It took him 15 rounds to beat the shell of Jim Jeffries, and the film clearly shows Johnson moving in for the finish around round 14 where Jeffries was so old and worn, he could not keep his gloves up.
     
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  4. McGrain

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    This is pretty normal. Charles couldn't find a way to stop Louis. Holmes took ten to do away with an even more worn Ali. Corbett took twenty-one rounds to get a broken Sullivan out of there. A 37 year old Johnson managed 26 rounds with Willard. Ye Olde champions tend to do pretty well when it comes time for them to lose.
     
  5. Mendoza

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    When an older and inactive champion meets a top talent in his prime, the younger champion should badly outclass and blow him out early. If should not go 15 rounds. Or 12 rounds.

    Think Jeffries vs Jackson. Dempsey vs Willard. or Marciano vs Louis. Blow outs. Boxing history is full of examples. Seldom if ever does the older and inactive champion win.

    Sullivan and Ali did not win a single round. Or maybe even a single minute.

    Johnson was active when he meet Willard, who at age 33 was not spring chicken himself. Johnson wasn't older and inactive. The ring rust at the older age is almost impossible to over come. Rare exception, Vitali Klitschko vs Sam Peter.
     
  6. McGrain

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    Yeah, they didn't do very well.

    But they didn't get blown out in the manner you describe.

    Older champions tend to hold onto the core of their abilities well enough that they don't get knocked out early. Jeffries was a part of that pattern.
     
  7. Russell

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    Loved the way he talked, and would of love to of had the chance to talk to the man.
     
  8. Webbiano

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    Can we at least entertain the idea that Johnson toyed and taunted with Jeffries and wasn't fighting to 100% of his abilities or with absolute focus. That much seems clear, but Johnsin did this with virtually all of his opponents.
     
  9. mcvey

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    Never invited to those events I don't know why.lol
     
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    The film clearly shows he wasn't going for the kill ,he was winning as he pleased and ,as was his way took no chances ,letting Jeffries wear himself out. Corbett said Jeffries was getting beaten up as early as the 6th rd.Sullivan said Johnson was not going full out , Fitz said Johnson could have finished it when he wanted. GunBoat Smith said Johnson could have stopped Jeffries early if he had seriously opened up on him.

    What would they know? 3 of the 4 of them were world champions,the other was a world class contender ,and all 4 of them were there, up close and personal!
    Johnson predicted what he would do,how the fight would go , the eventual result and he was dead right!
     
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  11. mcvey

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    Mendoza believes that if it had been a 10 rounds contest it might well have been a draw!
    The Star's headline was," Boilermaker Looks Like Novice In Hands Of Colored Champion"
    https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85066387/1910-07-05/ed-1/seq-15/
    https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83045462/1910-07-05/ed-1/seq-10/
     
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  12. Webbiano

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    But have you seen the film Mcvey!?!?!
     
  13. mcvey

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    No never.lol
     
  14. Webbiano

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    So many contemporary opinions insinuate it was a blowout, we don't need to see it. There's one person left on this earth that thinks Jeffries did well in this fight and his name is not Jeffries
     
  15. mcvey

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    Scorecards of the Louis v Marciano fight.
    • Hardly a blow out.