Jack Johnson destroyed big Jim Jeffries with those right uppercuts

Jeannette's account of the fight is at variance with the ringside reports which I recently published . I believe Matt Donnellon provided them,they stated Johnson was winning handily before the controversial dsq,which most did not see. Jeannette says he, "only weighed 165lbs or so" yet 4 months later he scaled 185lbs when he fought ,and beat Sam McVey over 10 rds ?
Of course you will accept Jeannette's version of events unquestioningly that is to be expected.

N.B. It is when he first met Johnson ,why do you persist in saying ,"when he first meet/last meet ? "

Below, a ringside report of the Jeannette/ Johnson dsq fight.

JOHNSON BEATS JEANETTE
Negro Champion, However, Was Disqualified on an Alleged Foul
11/25/05-PHILADELPHIA LEDGER
After outclassing Joe Jeanette for a round and a half, Jack Johnson, The
Negro Heavyweight Champion of the World, lost the bout at the National
Athletic Club [Phila.] last night on an alleged foul.
Jeanette, after being thumped in lively fashion in the first round, assumed
a crouching pose in the secondround. He undertook to run in and clinch,
ducking a vicious right hand swing. Johnson ripped a right hand hook up for Jeanette's jaw. The latter dropped to the floor,writhing in apparent agony.
He claimed to have been struck a foul blow.
He was removed to the dressing room and the club physician substantiated
his claim. Johnson was promtly disqualified. Jeanettte professed to be in
great pain and lay in his dressing room in apparent agony. It is understood
that the police proposed to keep Johnson to keep Johnson, Jeanette and
the club officialunder surveillance.

This is rather different from Jeannette's account ,and at remarkable odds with Mendoza's "interpretation" of it.

 

Well, different rules, different styles.


Anyway, I think too that Johnson is the best h2h (and greatest hw) pre 1930s (gloved era that is).

 

I think someone could argue a very strong case for Johnson beating every heavyweight champion up untill Liston.

Although i think Tunney and Louis have greater than a 50% chance agaisnt him and both Charles and Marciano are about 50/50.

Still not sure about Patterson Johnson, that one always gets me thinking in circles.

 

A very solid argument can be made that Johnson beats them all thru Ali ... against Ali it's tough to see him being busy enough to avoid being outpointed ... there are conflicting reports that say privately Louis' trainer Jack Blackburn believed Johnson would have taken Louis ... he is definitely in the very top pre-super heavyweight, simply a different era to me ..

 

I had read that Blackburn believed Johnson would beat Louis. I think i would favor Louis on activity but i wouldn't be too confident either way.

I always find it hard to imagine he beating Liston. I think Liston's reach paired with that thudding jab would see Liston take it.

 

I wouldn't favor Johnson to beat Dempsey, Tunney, Sharkey, Schmeling, Louis, Charles or Marciano.

I think all of the above have better resumes against, and thus are more proven against, actual, real life heavyweights (you could make an argument against Tunney in this respect). The best names on Johnson's resume, with perhaps the exception of McVey, were spindly lil' fellers, and not all of those did too poorly against him.

 

Poor Floyd Patterson being swept to the wayside like usual. Johnson never saw that speed and power combined, Patterson would light his **** up

 

I tend to agree.

 

How do you make a claim like that ? You obviously don't know much about Johnson's career other than the few fights that exist on film ...

 

You are not too well versed on Johnson's pre-title career ... he fought more than his share of big, talented fighters ...

 

This has been pointed out to him on more than one occasion.

He is obviously determined to ignore the facts, and continue repeating his mantra.

 

Pretty perfectly said ..

 

I"m not saying Jeffries beats him for sure but it would have been far more like the Hart fight than Reno ...

I see Johnson beating Dempsey and having a hell of a shot against Louis because he might throw Louis off his game ... I actually see him having the hardest time against Marciano because he would have to throw a ton of punches, something I've never seen him do ... it would be a ref's fight ... by that I mean if a ref allowed a lot of holding , advantage Johnson ... if they were forced to fight I see Marciano's low center of gravity and incredibly strong legs being a huge asset here .. additionally I personally don't think Johnson hit hard enought to seriously hurt Marciano .. any guy under 200 is going to have to have murderous power to keep Marciano off him .. I also feel Rocky was a much smarter fighter than Dempsey or Louis ... if a ref allowed them to fight Johnson would survive but be on the defensive too much to win a decision ...

 

It isnt just pre title, his title reign (while it did have some all time great little guys) also had some "real" heavyweights in there, like Kaufman, Ross, Johnson, Willard,moran. And his post title run didnt exactly have all midgets.