Jack Johnson:Enlighten me

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by robert ungurean, Oct 26, 2011.


  1. Cael

    Cael Claudia Cardinale Full Member

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    once again, i ask you the same thing that i asked you in the general.

    What does Willie Pep fighting has to do with the evolution of the HW's? i already said that bellow mw the advancement in the las 50 years have been infirm.
    We were arguing about HW's getting bigger stronger, fitter and technically better by each era and i gave you as proof some Max Baer, Carnera and Galento fights( fights which you call bad, as in no technique i suppose, which is fair) but yet ironically these guys who look bad, are considered one if not the best opponents in Joe Louis reign.

    As a response for that, you came up like here, with some video tapes of Pep as a proof that boxing has not developed since 30's....but Pep had no relevance with the original question, which was about the HW division and it's evolution over the years.
    And then you left since things got hairy for you, many more posters started bashing you, and then you came up(think it was you) with the Sharkey was technically ound and better then Holyfield which caused quite a hysteria
     
  2. Cael

    Cael Claudia Cardinale Full Member

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    ...and you act as if that was unfair...why?
    Dempsey era is part of the past too...same as Jeffries same as Johnson's.

    And i used some footage with JJ against Flynn too, it was clear as day that the oponent the champions fought were below mediocre and probably wouldn't even be successful street fighters today, let alone profesional boxers.
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    To be clear, you are saying that FW's have not become technically better, but HW's have?

    Baer and Galento were regarded as sluggers in their era, just as limited fighters like Peter are now. His best challengers were the technical boxers he met, Walcott and Schmeling, and Walcott especially looks absolutely fantastic technically.


    You are completely incorrect. I did not say that Sharkey was technically superior to Holyfield, and nor was I "bashed". "Hairy"? On the internet? Really?

    What you are saying doesn't really make any sense i'm afraid. Anyway, let's see your technical breakdown of the improvements apparent in these heavyweight contests. Prove Freddie Roach wrong!

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfmQVRI4GNQ[/ame]

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGD2rTiywGM&feature=related[/ame]
     
  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :lol: yeah, "the past", all one big lump comparable directly with the automatically superior "present."

    If you can't understand why Johnson-Flynn isn't relevant in a discussion about 1940's boxing, i'm afraid i won't be able to help you.
     
  5. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

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    I don't wish to interrupt your chastisement of this pimply youth Matt ,but I think Sharkey was technically better than Holyfield.:good
     
  6. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

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    Well Pimples, if you wish to be pedantic, McVey was 25 days short of his 20th birthday.

    ps I dont take any pills ,that's your generation isnt it?
     
  7. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Cael doesn't know **** about boxing. Ignore him. He's one of those MMA bitches scared as **** to get in a boxing ring, but will easily roll around with another man, PAYIN him BIG Money, again PAYIN A MAN MONEY TO ROLL AROUND WITH HIM ON THE GROUND LIKE A ******.

    I'm mean, do ya'll really need to get worked up over this dude?
     
  8. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

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  9. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace

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    Who said I was mature?

    My claim that johnson beats tyson is just as much a joke as your claim tyson beats johnson.

    You do realise the two will never fight right? There is no right and wrong here; there is just a multitude of varying opinions.

    Again how can my opinion be important or on the money? The two will never ever fight so your opinion is just as "on the money" as mine is. As a fellow poster your opinion is also just as "important" as mine is.

    The reason I don't go into the general as much is that it bores me: klitschko brother this, pacweather that etc.
     
  10. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So do I, but I'm a bit of a Sharkey freak, though I champion Holy too.
    PS that's Jack and not Tom I presume?
     
  11. manbearpig

    manbearpig A Scottish Noob Full Member

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  12. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

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    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  14. manbearpig

    manbearpig A Scottish Noob Full Member

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  15. Nay_Sayer

    Nay_Sayer On Rick James Status banned Full Member

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    Anyone want to tackle this one?