Jack Johnson in the 1970's...?

What disgustingly boring to watch??

 

Johnson's fans have numerous excuses for him, some of which are pure speculation at best. One I have not heard yet is his DQ match with Jeanette. Jeanette worked Johnson over and had him in some trouble in round one. In round two, Johnson went low and that was it for the fight. He foulded out to save himself. Not very honorable or ethical. Somehow, Johnson kept his colored title in a DQ loss. How one retains a title in a DQ loss is uncharted territory for me in boxing.

 

The acounts that I have read suggest that Jeanette was giving Johnson problems , but iut would be a stretch to say that "Jeanette had him in trouble and he saved himself by going low".

As for the title not changing hands, they often only changed hands on a clear cut result back then. A decision loss or a loss in a shorter fight was often not seen as suficient.

 

It seems strange that in SEVEN fights Jeanette's only win was a dsq, apart from this the nearest he came was 2 draws, in one of which he was dropped 3 times.He was comprehensively outpointed in the other 4 fights.

 

What's this? No excuse for a DQ fighter keeping his title?

Anyway, Jeanette turned professional with no amateur experience and was 0-3 when he first meet Jack Johnson. The fight was a three round draw. Sources > New York Evening World and the Washington Times declared it a very even fight. Johnson had at least 35 recorded fights when this match took place.

I find it hard to believe that a fighter can be comprehensively outpointed in a 3 round match.

In many of the matches Jeanette had a losing record or .500 record. These should be put into context.

The last fight between the two, and perhaps the most important was a 10 round draw. After that Johnson avoided Jeanette for the rest of his career.

If you can post the 10 round draw or the 15 round match that Johnson won, I think the forum would like to read it. Post it here, and let the forum judge if then .500 fighter in Jeanette was " comprehensively " outpointed.

 

Denver Ed Martin defeated Frank Childs by unanimous decision for the same title, and some people stiull refused to recognise his title claim because of the six round duration of the bout.

I can see how a DQ win in a shorter bout might not be accepted.

 

Was the result accepted or not? Part of the problem with the colored title belt is it had 3, 4, and 6 round matches. Perhaps these were mere billing by the promoter, without the belt itself being on the line?

By the way, anyone who Can show me a photo of the colored title belt will get a big thanks. I've never seen it. Its black leather studded with diamonds.

 

Most people accepted Martins claim, but some did not.

When Jack Johnson fought Martin for the first time, it was billed in some quaters as a unification fight for the coloured title, because Johnson had knocked Childs out in a 20 rounder after Martin had outpointed him in a 6 rounder.

 

George Godfrey, in his FIRST pro fight went 10rds to a draw with Sam Langford, care to put that into context?

Johnson met Jeanette and another opponent , the same night on two separate occasions, one was Black Bill ,the other was Morris Harris, I doubt he was overly concerned in either affair.You say Jeanette had 3 fights ,the fact is we don't know how many he had engaged in
Box rec, which does not list all Johnsons early fights ,says Jeanette's fights" in public ".
I have no interest in engaging with you further on this ,you are rabid and irrational on Johnson ,the standing joke . I have 5 pms from posters laughing at you,and your obsessive hatred of John Arthur Johnson.
You just repeat yourself like a boxing " ground hog day".

STOP HI JACKING THREADS TO FEED YOUR HATE.

 

Gotcha Mcvey. You're a broken record. Simply skip these type of posts when you run out of ammunition. Or at the very least post all the reports on Jeanette vs Johnson ( I doubt you have multiple ones ) so we can see if your claim is exaggerated.

I'm quite sure the best heavies in the 70's would not draw if they were matched vs a guy on his 4th pro fight with a losing record.

 

Gotcha? Got what?
George Godfrey drew with Sam Langford in his FIRST PRO FIGHT.
You imbecile.atsch

 

How do you think Leon Spinks record would have looked against against Muhammed Ali, if he'd fought a couple of rounds with some of the leading contenders of the time before the match?

 

Perceptive question, I look forward to the answer.:good

 

Well, Spinks, unlike Jeanette had a distinguished amateur career, and was not 0-3 leading into a title match.

If it helps, I believe the Spinks who fought Ali was much better than at novice Jeanette who had next to or no amateur experience and 3 listed pro fights that drew with Johnson.

 

If I may interject.We do not know how many fights Jeanette had, he may well have had some that went "under the radar".Box rec says his fights "in public" ,same thing with McVey.
Eg Box rec does not list all Johnson's early fights .

You are entitled to think that Spinks may have been more proficient than Jeanette, at that stage, but anyone stating it with any degree of certainty, would have to be viewed with cicumspection since very little film of Jeanette is extant ,eg.
What have you seen of him to form this opinion?
BTW. You did not answer Boilermakers question ,did you?