Jack Johnson king of the Heavyweight s -1930 to 1937?

Facts don't seem to register much with Mcvey, but your point is 100% correct.

 

It should be noted that 82 of those fights were of 6rds duration or less and most were no decision bouts. Plus O Brien hadn't taken any significant punishment in his career.
Johnson had engaged in 88 fights 12 of which were 20 rounders ,with about 10 ,15 rounders.So Johnson had more rounds of mileage than O Brien by a significant amount.In other words your argument not only does not standup but slides miserably to the floor! lol[/QUOTE]

I have read the fight reports... and yes, more than the NYT one. O'Brien reddened Johnson's face with his jab. Important note. O'Brien's record speaks for itself. He went 3-5 over the rest of the very little that remained of his career. And we can't use a turn on Marcianista argument that Johnson destroyed him and facilitated the end of his ring life. There is no way to deny that O'Brien was a lightheavy at the end of his line.

 

McCarty was offered a title shot,that is a fact!

ps Promoters selected the challengers not Johnson.Without their belief that they could sell a title fight to the general public and make it financially viable none of them would happen!

 

I have read the fight reports... and yes, more than the NYT one. O'Brien reddened Johnson's face with his jab. Important note. O'Brien's record speaks for itself. He went 3-5 over the rest of the very little that remained of his career. And we can't use a turn on Marcianista argument that Johnson destroyed him and facilitated the end of his ring life. There is no way to deny that O'Brien was a lightheavy at the end of his line.[/QUOTE]
I have categorically proven that Johnson had more boxing mileage on his clock than O Brien,of that there is simply no argument!
What was the opinion of the Philadelphia Enquirer ,[O Brien's home town paper ,] concerning the fight and the participants respective conditions? ps Ive read about a dozen first hand reports of this fight .
You are wrong on OBrien's record too.
He had 8 further fights true but lost only 2 of them,both by ko to two huge punchers.Ketchel and Langford.
His other fights were two No Decisions with Al Kaufman.
A win over Mike Shreck.
A No Decision with Fireman Jim Flynn.
A No Decision with Harry Ramsey.
A No Decision with Charles Stevenson.
A No Decision with Charles Stevenson.
A No Decision with Harry Koch .This was in1912 ,3 year s after he fought Johnson!

Sorry S. Epic fail on your part!

 

He could do, but I don't think that he would.

He was not very consistent in his training habits as champion.

These guys were not the best lineal champions of all time, but they were too good for him to get away with that against.

Somewhere along the line he gets derailed.

 

I see your point ,but thought unless otherwise specified we used the best version of each fighter in H2H's?

If you want to move the goalposts you could equally and with the same amount of justification. Use:
The Loughran that was ko'd in3rds by Sharkey
The Sharkey that was outpointed by Loughran and held to a draw by plodder Tom Heeney.
The Schmeling that lost to Hamas and could only draw with Uzcudun.
The Baer that was out boxed by both Loughran and Braddock.
See my point?

 

I assumed that we were effectively taking Johnson's title reign, and plonking it in the 1930s.

 

Well this would be 22 years later with Johnson not in exile or being harassed by the law.
Different time, different champ!
Or do you disagree?

 

Johnson would probably have had an easier ride in the 1930s, though he would still have been a very controversial figure.

I think that he would still have developed a taste for the good life, and that he would have still struggled with the temptations of the championship.

 

I take this as a qualification and as such I'm happy with it.

 

I have categorically proven that Johnson had more boxing mileage on his clock than O Brien,of that there is simply no argument!
What was the opinion of the Philadelphia Enquirer ,[O Brien's home town paper ,] concerning the fight and the participants respective conditions? ps Ive read about a dozen first hand reports of this fight .
You are wrong on OBrien's record too.
He had 8 further fights true but lost only 2 of them,both by ko to two huge punchers.Ketchel and Langford.
His other fights were two No Decisions with Al Kaufman.
A win over Mike Shreck.
A No Decision with Fireman Jim Flynn.
A No Decision with Harry Ramsey.
A No Decision with Charles Stevenson.
A No Decision with Charles Stevenson.
A No Decision with Harry Koch .This was in1912 ,3 year s after he fought Johnson!

Sorry S. Epic fail on your part![/QUOTE]

So, after 175+ fights, O'Brien retired because:

a) he wanted to take up interpretive dance
b) he woefully tired of fame and pay days and loose gals
c) he was shot

By the way, Kaufman KD'd him and gave him a "frightful beating" in one fight and a "bad licking" in the other.
Ramsey gave "Old Jack... a sound licking"

 

I Believe Johnson beats Loughran...just not sure about the easily part.

 

So, after 175+ fights, O'Brien retired because:

a) he wanted to take up interpretive dance
b) he woefully tired of fame and pay days and loose gals
c) he was shot

By the way, Kaufman KD'd him and gave him a "frightful beating" in one fight and a "bad licking" in the other.
Ramsey gave "Old Jack... a sound licking"[/QUOTE]
O Brien was a clean living fighter always in the gym. Your "explanation" was amusing, but valueless.
You were wrong about who had the most mileage on his clock and O Brien's subsequent record.
The fact that O Brien had enough left to beat Mike Schreck proves he had something left!
O Brien did not lose those fights you claimed ,there was no verdict given at the end of those 6 rounders.
Hence the term NO DECISION!lol
O Brien kod Kaufman in their first meeting.
Here is a list of Kaufman's best wins ,do you see O Briens name on it?

"Kaufmann was a muscular fighter with a punch; He used a cautious style but seized the chance to move in and deliver hard blows; Kaufman was a White Hope of the teens

During his career, Kaufmann defeated such men as Jack "Twin" Sullivan, Dave Barry, George Gardner, Mike Schreck, "Battling" Jim Johnson, "Fireman" Jim Flynn, Al Kubiak, Kid Kenneth, Terry Mustain and Al Benedict"
Going into the Johnson fight O Brien had not lost a fight since his 20 decision loss to Tommy Burns 2 years earlier.