Jack Johnson lies, ducks Sam Langford. Backs out of signed deal! Proof below

This is old news,Clay covered it thoroughly over a year ago.Peggy Bettinson disliked both Johnson and Langford, and blacks in general,the idea that Iron Hague could beat either is farcical, as was proved when Langford ko'd him, but you know this because you've seen the fight, as you told us.

 

My take on it is that he tried to remain the champion for as long as possible at all costs, he was obsessed with the fact that he was THE first black fighter to fight for the title, he was terrified of losing it, he drew the colour line because he knew he could and and thus he got himself out of the toughest match ups.

Johnson just knew he was certainly not head and shoulders above the likes Mcvea, jeanette, Langford, he knew they were the toughest fights out there so he didn't want to take the risk.
Just look at the number of black fighters he fought before he won the title and compare it to how many he fought afterwards.

 

He fought those three guys a combined 11 TIMES. He lost once on a DQ.

How many times do you have to fight people?

He was better than everyone in his day.

 

Some of those fights went the distance and were competitive fights, Johnson was 32 when he was champion, the others were younger still improving all the time and he knew it.

 

I understand that. But, again, how many times do you have to fight people?

Did he have to give each a title shot ... and make it 14 times he faced them? And, if those fights were close, did he have to fight them all again ... and make it 17 times he fought them?

:roll:

And fight them again, and again, and again ... until one, two or all three won outright ONE time?

We know who was better. He fought them. He beat them.

It's the guys who straight up refused to fight the tough people in their era ... not the ones who faced them nearly a dozen times ... but didn't fight them another dozen times ... we should sniff at.

 

Johnson floored Jeannette 9 times in 7 fights
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He floored Langford twice in their only fight , cut his face up and broke his nose..
He floored McVey several times in their 3 fights and stopped him in the last one, when you might have expected McVey to do better if you follow the line that they all improved , the implication being that Johnson did not.
The trio improved , okay that's reasonable ,isn't it reasonable to state that Johnson did too?

 

As per Dan Morgan who was at the Johnson Langford bout:

Johnson purposely let up on Sam otherwise he would have knocked him out.

Langford went to the hospital after the bout was over.

 

After Johnson won the title black contenders were thinking that black fighters would always be fighting for the title, they soon found out that wasn't the case, and as much as Johnson didn't want to give them a shot, he probably couldn't have even if he'd wanted to, they had the establishment to contend with who weren't going to allow a free for all of black challengers. Johnson was happy about that too.

 

Boy, you sure seem to know what all the black contenders and the black heavyweight champion "were thinking." :roll:

Johnson fought those guys 11 times before he won the title. Again, how many times do you have to beat them?

Muhammad Ali beat Jerry Quarry twice before his second reign. After Ali won the title, he defended against Ron Lyle (in 1975) and Earnie Shavers (in 1977).

Quarry was so sick of guys he beat getting title shots ... Quarry beat Lyle in 1973 and he destroyed Shavers in 1973 in one round. ... and he was so sick of guys like Wepner, Dunn, Coopman and Evangelista getting titles shots ...

That Quarry came back in 1977 and knocked out Lorenzo Zanon (who had beaten Evangelista in the fight before Evangelista faced Ali).

Did Ali "duck" Quarry, too, because he didn't fight Quarry in 1977 or in 1978 instead of Leon Spinks?

Did Ali have to defend his title against Quarry for it to count?

Did Ali have to keep defending his title against Quarry until the younger Quarry won?

Of course not. Ali had already faced him a couple of times and beaten him. And neither did Jack Johnson have to face guys he'd already fought 11 TIMES before.

 

Clay Moyle and I had a debate on the contract I was under the impression that Sam Fitzpatrick had signed on Johnson's behalf because that is what was reported in several books and newspapers .Clay produced proof that Johnson had signed and I happily accepted his proof which had informed me on a subject I was interested in.All you've done is re-visited old news covered here over a year ago.Every thread concerning the respective merits of Johnson and Langford mentions this contract , that Johnson reneged on it and his reasons for doing so.Personally I would have fulfilled the contract if I put my name to it and gave my word, but I understand that Johnson was denied his title shot until he was 30 years old,and when he received it he had to fight for peanuts.
As champion he was determined to get the same purse for defending his new title that Burns had received for defending against him $30,000, and there are literally scores of articles with quotes from him reiterating this stance.

Let us put another scenario into the picture here.
Pretend there are no governing bodies but top challeneger
Joseph Parker gets a title shot with Anthony Joshua, his purse is peanuts,say $5000 ,while Joshua gets a record purse of $5000,000, [ball park figure] and he has to sign a rematch clause that stipulates that should he win ,he will defend against Joshua for $500,000 whilst Joshua gets say $ 5000,000, against expectations Parker wins but then declares he was held to ransom in the original contract and now wants a purse commensurate with his position as Champion . Could we blame him? Its so blaltantly obvious why you posted this and, if it was new material it would be an interesting find, but it is not ,and it isn't.

It's a rehashed subject that you produced to try and support your contention that Johnson would not defend against Langford,whereas we know that he actually signed to fight him in Australia for Hugh McIntosh, we know the date of the proposed match and what Johnson purse was to be.
We also know because there are newsclippings and verified quotes from McIntosh that it was McIntosh himself who pulled the plug on the proposed match when Johnson was arrested for abduction in the US,and I posted these quotes less than a week ago!
I once said I had seen Langford and Hague, on contacting a friend who had the video, he informed me it was in fact Langford v Lang.
I then not only admitted I was wrong ,I made a thread about it! Easily verifiable.You on the other hand ,still say you have seen it ,you haven't, there has not been a viewable copy of the film for over half a century.
No surprise about your claim you've been exposed as a liar many ,many times on this forum,but I digress.
Bottom line ,despite repeated requests you haven't produced jack sh*t to support your claims, and you never will. I think that covers your most recent hate post.:hi:

 

We don't know exactly what Langford's age was .as Clay Moyle posted just yesterday.
Neither do we know what Langford's weight was for the fight with Johnson ,because he did not weigh in. Jeannette did not win the first round in the fight in which Johnson was dsq'd I posted report of the round just this week and Senya has a round by rounds too.
Johnson did not have much more experience than Langford Johnson had 40 fights and Langford 51!
Jeannette was 24,25,,26,26,27,27 for the Johnson fights.

I keep asking for these offers but you keep failing to produce them! Johnson did not "draw with O Brien" it was a No Decision bout. He drew with Jim Johnson whom you call a journeyman whilst fighting under the handicap of a broken arm at the age of 35 and having been out of the ring for 18months.
Jim Johnson not only drew with McVey and Jeannette, neither of whom was fighting with a broken arm he also beat Jeannette twice! Ringside reports of the Johnson v Moran fight state that 36 years old Johnson won comfortably, Klompton posted them sometime ago. Flynn was dsq'd in a fight in which he had not managed to win a single round, and he had previously been kod by Johnson.Flynn did manage to beat Langford once in their series.
Ross whom Johnson beat easily, drew with Jeannette.Jeffries could have fought Johnson when he was in his prime but he took advantage of the racist times to avoid him, his choice.
I believe that's all your pathetic attempts at character assassination answered satisfactorily.
I await your next toxic post on Jack Johnson YAWN:zzz

Same sh*t different day.

 

The amount of details you fella's know about old fighters is mind boggling. :hat