Jack Johnson lies, ducks Sam Langford. Backs out of signed deal! Proof below

Well, Sam was 20 years old and an estimated 156 pounds. Johnson was 28 years old, an estimated 185 pounds.

The examples of 156lbs beating 185lbs vs class fighters are rare, ( can you show me one outside of Bob Fitzsimmons??? ) but 185lbs beating 200lbs is common place.

I'll wait for your examples of 156 beating 185. If you won't reply or can't find more than two, I find you're calling another poster disingenuous to pretty hollow.

I don't see Langford having one win over a fighter over 160 pounds pre 1906. He was a welterweight to jr middle from 1904-1906.

Prior to facing Johnson (1904-1906) , Langford was KO'd by Jeannette, lost to Larry Temple, and lost to Dace Holly. And he drew 8 times. Hardly a super fighter. He was young and light.

Post the Johnson fight, Langford was KO'd in his very next fight vs. Young Peter Jackson.

Hardly the Boston terror he would become from 1909-1914, where his quality of opposition beaten in Johnson's championship years towers over him.

 

Well, Sam was 20 years old and an estimated 156 pounds. Johnson was 28 years old, an estimated 185 pounds.

The examples of 156lbs beating 185lbs vs class fighters are rare, ( can you show me one outside of Bob Fitzsimmons??? ) but 185lbs beating 200lbs is common place.

I'll wait for your examples of 156 beating 185. If you won't reply or can't find more than two, I find you're calling another poster disingenuous to pretty hollow.

I don't see Langford having one win over a fighter over 160 pounds pre 1906. He was a welterweight to jr middle from 1904-1906.

Prior to facing Johnson (1904-1906) , Langford was KO'd by Jeannette, lost to Larry Temple, and lost to Dace Holly. And he drew 8 times. Hardly a super fighter. He was young and light.

Post the Johnson fight, Langford was KO'd in his very next fight vs. Young Peter Jackson.

Hardly the Boston terror he would become from 1909-1914, where his quality of opposition beaten in Johnson's championship years towers over him.

Depends on the definition of a novice. A novice at fighting men above 160 pounds, for sure. We have a jr middle here fighting a cruiserweight and the jr middle according to Clay was just 20 years old.

As I chronicle, Langford results from 1904-1906 were shaky. He was nothing at all like the 170-200 pound Boston Terror he would become in 1909-1914

 

I predicted you would try steer clear from the title of the thread and take the conversation elsewhere. LOL, it did not take you long!

There's nothing I can say short of putting a film I do not own on youtube to answer your question, so I'll leave it at that. You said you saw it as did a few others here, some of which you have no idea of because I doubt they PM'd you. That's all I'm going to say on the topic, which you keep bringing up when you are checkmated and out of things to say. END. There is your answer.

Clay researched Langford and wrote a book on him. If he thinks he was 20 years old in 1906 for the Johnson match, his guess is as good as anyones.

What was proven here, and for the future is Jack Johnson did far more than avoid Langford in the conventional sense as champion, he signed and backed out of a contract to fight him, than lied about the particulars! It was not the first or last time Johnson lied about his career.

When you look at Johnson's results in 1909:


1 ) A No decision match with a much smaller and lighter Jack O'Brien who some primary sources felt was the better

2 ) Getting floored by a crude Ketchel

3 ) Getting TKO'd in a 4 round exhibition match vs Gun Boat Smith

Could you imagine if this happened to any modern heavyweight champion in a years time? He would be mocked.

>>>You'd have to assume Langford has a good chance in 1909. Not quite as good as from 1911-1913

 

In the book " In this Corner " GunBoat Smith said, and he never forgot it, referring to the punch that floored Johnson.

Are you calling him a liar? Do you deny it never happened? He was there! So much for a fantasy.

 

^^^ There you have it. According to to the data Sam was 20 years old, an estimated 156 pounds. In addition, he had no experience fighting men over 160 pounds. Johnson was an estimated 185 pounds. Hardly a big win for Johnson you look at the particulars and Langford's record from 1904-1906, which is very uneven.

In your opinion, what were Langford's heavyweight prime years?

I'd say 1910-1914.