Jack Johnson not as great as they told you, the video

The punch was fake. It was done for the cameras. It looks fake on film and the ringside reports stated that it looked fake. Johnson was actually falling forward already when the punch swings around the back of his head. It doesn't even land. Its ridiculous.

 

I have a hunch Klompton is conversant with old fight films.:yep

 

Johnson's momentum carried him over the prostrate body of Ketchel

Did I mention teeth? You're kind of pathetic do you know that?:-(

 

My copy isn't missing any frames of the "knock down" Im not sure what you are watching. The people who watched it live at ringside and said it was fake weren't missing any frames. I love how people jump to these conclusions and use the poor quality of their film as a reason. Did any of you guys *****ing about your ****ty films ever stop to think your conclusions might be wrong specifically because your film sucks? If your film is missing frames and it doesn't expressly show the punch landing isn't it YOU who are IMAGINING the punch to take place in those missing frames?? Seems an odd argument to make. "Your conclusions are wrong because Im basing my argument on using my imagination to fill in the blanks of my bad film evidence." I realize it hurts the racist narrative of guys like you to or the hero worship of guys who want to believe Ketchel hit as hard as Tyson to admit that knockdown was bogus but it was. Anyone with eyes who has ever watched boxing can see that.

I don't recall Johnson literally picking Burns and Flynn up from knockdowns or holding them up to prevent them from going down. The bottom line is that Johnson was making the fight look good for the cameras because he had an interest in the film. Simple as that.

Him rolling over after his "knockdown" is meaningless. You always mention this second fall after the knockdown. There isn't one. He goes down, rolls over, gets up, obliterates Ketchel and then trips over his dead body. If you want to paint that trip due to the force of his punch carrying him over Ketchel's fallen body as Johnson being dizzy or groggy, well, enjoy that fantasy land you live in because drops Ketchel and as he is moving forward he literally jumps up and over to try to avoid Ketchel's body, trips, gets up immediately and non chalantly removes Ketchel's teeth from his glove. Trying to paint him lazily laying one hand on the rope while having another on his hip as Ketchel is counted out as Johnson being so dazed he has to support himself is comical in the extreme.

 

what do you have to say for yourself Mendoza ????

somebody get the horse whip :thumbsup

 

He was rolling with the punch. There's no way they agreed to telegraph that KD, and then agreed to let Johnson remove Ketchels teeth.

 

Wait wait wait. Slow, slow, slow.

Does your copy have missing frames from the Johnson KO on Ketchel??

 

Two men said Johnson, Ketchel, and Willus Britt met in Barney Curleys hotel suite to choreograph the fight.Ketchel proved incapable of pulling his punches, and Johnson is supposed to have said ,"well you do the best you can".
Gunboat Smith who sparred with both men for that fight said in a taped interview , the KD was faked to add value to the movie rights.,of which Johnson had a piece. Johnson and Ketchel played cards later that night. It's likely that Ketchel decided to divert from the original script and Jack decided to put him in his place.

 

What is your take on the legend that they had an agreement, Ketchel breached the agreement and Johnson flattened him in response?

 

I think the idea that ketchel breached a contract and johnson got mad and flattened him would be predicated on the idea that the punch legitimately hurt johnson enough to make him mad. I dont buy it. I dont think Ketchel even landed that punch. Its clear from the film that Ketchel is trying but is a child in Johnsons hands. Even holding him up and toying with him Johnson battered ketchel and left him a bleeding mess. Johnson needed something to take those pictures from humdrum to dramatic. He faked a knockdown and then immediately clobbered ketchel. It worked. We are still watching those pictures today to see whether the people ringside who said it was fake were right.

 

It's also possible that even though Johnson avoids the punch, he saw Ketchel put everything behind it.

Your theory makes sense too. I couldn't say without seeing the film.

 

I read (from Johnson) that Ketchell wasnt in on the "fix". Johnson went down for the cameras. Ketchell got overexcited, thinking he was ready to go and rushed in wildly leaving himself open for the immediate KO punch.

 

Looking at the footage, the punch seems to hit Johnson’s ear.

Now bear in mind that the ear plays a significant role in balance, and there is a significant nerve bundle at its base.

Taking this into account, it is plausible that this punch landed as a bit of a fluke, and knocked Johnson down.

It is also plausible that Johnson felt humiliated at being dropped by a middleweight, and decided to teach Ketchell a lesson.